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Fuzion
Junior Member

162 Posts

Posted - 20 November 2002 :  13:54:03  Show Profile
GRRR!!!! A few response.write statements are kewl, but all of 3.4 is based on this! Its very frustrating for me to make the changes that ive made to my original forum/portal in 3.4. I mean, Knowing that the code is right but your still getting an error because of a missing &_ somewhere in the code just sux, plus I myself not being very good with response.write just adds more to the frustration. I love the new features of 3.4 but i hate this BS!!! Is there anyone out there that can submit a 3.4 without all of the response.write statements.

GauravBhabu
Advanced Member

4288 Posts

Posted - 20 November 2002 :  15:48:25  Show Profile
quote:
Is there anyone out there that can submit a 3.4 without all of the response.write statements.


someone has to rewrite the whole code and it is not a job everyone will like to have.
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Gremlin
General Help Moderator

New Zealand
7528 Posts

Posted - 20 November 2002 :  17:16:08  Show Profile  Visit Gremlin's Homepage
I'm not particularly fond of it either but for different reasons.

Problem is even if someone does take out the response.writes when you go to apply a MOD designed for 3.4 you are going to hit even more frustration as the lines numbers won't match and neither will the code.

I'd reccomend you just plug on with it as is and you'll eventually get the hang of response.write. Really theres not that much difference, just remember when your wanting to put a single " inside a response.write statement to use a double ""

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kwhipp
Junior Member

United States
407 Posts

Posted - 20 November 2002 :  17:32:14  Show Profile
This has help me convert small blocks of code to response.write.

http://www.equanimity.nl/utils/responsewriter.asp

- Kevin
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Gremlin
General Help Moderator

New Zealand
7528 Posts

Posted - 20 November 2002 :  18:13:16  Show Profile  Visit Gremlin's Homepage
That might help, using that you won't have to remember how to covert your code to Respone.write, just write it how you normally would and then convert it before updating your files.

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Fuzion
Junior Member

162 Posts

Posted - 21 November 2002 :  00:20:17  Show Profile
Yea, but ya know, it just really ticks me off that Snitz evolved into this complicated forum that will require its users to have some intermediate asp knowledge as well as expertese with response.write statements. Now newbies like I once was, who was totally new to ASP cant learn it through the use of Snitz. Snitz was simple, it took me only a few days to pick up the code language and familarize myself with it.. After that i was customizing snitz like crazy. Its sad to say its not like that anymore. Thankx for the link, It will come in handy. ;)
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@tomic
Senior Member

USA
1790 Posts

Posted - 21 November 2002 :  00:51:55  Show Profile  Visit @tomic's Homepage  Send @tomic an ICQ Message
I think you will be better off if you calm down and just keep at it. There are few differences between Response.Write and context switching. Think of it this way: <%=Something%>= Response.Write Something. Obviously there are a few other details but for a few days you stuggle and then it quickly becomes second nature.

I'm not sure I agree with you that learning ASP is such a bad thing. Some of the MODs are difficult as it is and perhaps should not be done by people with absolutely zero ASP skills. Fortunately, getting the hang of Response.Write is one of the easier aspects and might be a good way to ease people in.

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OpenIntro
Junior Member

USA
126 Posts

Posted - 21 November 2002 :  01:05:45  Show Profile  Send OpenIntro an AOL message
May I just throw 2 cents in and say, while it is complex....this help forum is amazing. And for people that have NO asp experience, it is really great to be able to go at it yourself, and then post when you have a problem...and then get a response almost immediately! I have never had a time where someone just left me without an answer....

It may be tough, but sheesh, it's free, and quite good! The community spirit behind this whole thing is just awesome and is why it is successful. So before you start bad mouthing the way it is written, I think you should give thanks to those that have put so much time and effort into the projects on here!

If you don't like it....go buy some expensive board and use that! :P Maybe it's easier to modify!

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HuwR
Forum Admin

United Kingdom
20600 Posts

Posted - 21 November 2002 :  03:34:09  Show Profile  Visit HuwR's Homepage
I hate people who insist on using CAPITAL letters in their topic titles, it is extremely rude.
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David K
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494 Posts

Posted - 21 November 2002 :  05:35:48  Show Profile  Send David K an AOL message  Send David K an ICQ Message  Send David K a Yahoo! Message
I'm a reletive newbie, and I answer questions three weeks later!
I started with ver 3.4.03 so I don't think that the response.write statment is that bad.
But in my native language we mark initials with this sign: "
so I started writing "" in my emails
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Shaggy
Support Moderator

Ireland
6780 Posts

Posted - 21 November 2002 :  08:20:36  Show Profile
lol! Same thing here! Spent about three or four weeks coding a couple of sites in Response.Write, next site we got was a rush job, so I just went with plain ol' HTML. Needless to say when I went to test the template, I had to go back and remove all the double quotes! D'oh!

Really, though, I don't see what the problem is with Response.Write, I've only been using ASP since February/April this year, and I'm already in the process of converting my entire site to Response.Write. The way I work is to do up the template in HTML, test it to the extent that I'm happy with it, then use search & replace to replace all the "s with ""s. Once that's done it's just a case of dropping in the Response.Writes, enclosing "s & &_s and any variables I may need. Sure I have the odd problem with a stray &_ here and there but nothing drastic.




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Nathan
Help Moderator

USA
7664 Posts

Posted - 25 November 2002 :  00:44:58  Show Profile  Visit Nathan's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by HuwR

I hate people who insist on using CAPITAL letters in their topic titles, it is extremely rude.



Humm, perhaps that could be a feature idea. Detect and either 'fix' pr deny all-caps titles.

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wii
Free ASP Hosts Moderator

Denmark
2632 Posts

Posted - 25 November 2002 :  02:52:28  Show Profile
Good idea, some PHP forums have this feature.

quote:
Originally posted by Nathan
Humm, perhaps that could be a feature idea. Detect and either 'fix' pr deny all-caps titles.

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RichardKinser
Snitz Forums Admin

USA
16655 Posts

Posted - 14 January 2003 :  00:17:41  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by Fuzion

GRRR!!!! A few response.write statements are kewl, but all of 3.4 is based on this! Its very frustrating for me to make the changes that ive made to my original forum/portal in 3.4. I mean, Knowing that the code is right but your still getting an error because of a missing &_ somewhere in the code just sux, plus I myself not being very good with response.write just adds more to the frustration. I love the new features of 3.4 but i hate this BS!!! Is there anyone out there that can submit a 3.4 without all of the response.write statements.


I hate when people complain instead of trying to learn something new. I was the one who converted all of the files, and at first I was totally against using Response.Write. But once I saw the benefits of it, I changed my mind and use it all of the time now.
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RichardKinser
Snitz Forums Admin

USA
16655 Posts

Posted - 14 January 2003 :  00:19:27  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by Fuzion

Yea, but ya know, it just really ticks me off that Snitz evolved into this complicated forum that will require its users to have some intermediate asp knowledge as well as expertese with response.write statements. Now newbies like I once was, who was totally new to ASP cant learn it through the use of Snitz. Snitz was simple, it took me only a few days to pick up the code language and familarize myself with it.. After that i was customizing snitz like crazy. Its sad to say its not like that anymore. Thankx for the link, It will come in handy. ;)

Yes, they can still learn ASP from this forum. They can learn to use Response.Write properly. The code is much cleaner and easier to format and read.
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OneWayMule
Dev. Team Member & Support Moderator

Austria
4969 Posts

Posted - 14 January 2003 :  00:26:50  Show Profile  Visit OneWayMule's Homepage  Send OneWayMule an ICQ Message
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Yes, they can still learn ASP from this forum. They can learn to use Response.Write properly. The code is much cleaner and easier to format and read.


Agree. When I saw the v3.4 code first it was hard to read for me but now I do everything in response.write.

As you said richard, cleaner and easier to format (and even easier to read now for me )

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When I came here a long time ago, I just wanted a forum like it was offered at forumco.
And now... I create my own asp applications, look at snitz code and other's code to learn how something can be done, or can be done better/more efficient/faster/cleaner.

And still a lot more to learn...

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