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bjlt
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Posted - 05 October 2002 :  05:18:12  Show Profile
If I use utf-8 as encoding method, do I still have all the font styles, esp. those for Chinese?
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Posted - 05 October 2002 :  21:44:23  Show Profile
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Originally posted by bjlt

If I use utf-8 as encoding method, do I still have all the font styles, esp. those for Chinese?
thanks.



Am not sure exactly what you mean but
1. you can set html code page to utf-8 with Snits
2. you can use "language resource files" for V4b03.xx (current beta) - or what's called "language packs", which requires, file conversion to utf-8 from ISO based files and save these lang files in utf-8 formats.

As for CJK, there is no Korean language pack at present, as far as I know. For Chinese, there are both Traditional (lang1028) and Simplified (lang2052). The original language packs for Traditional is done using Big5 format, and Simplified UTF8.

If you are planning to implement Snitz V4bx, you can use these with V4b03005. If you need UTF8 versions, I will help you.


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bjlt
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Posted - 05 October 2002 :  21:58:48  Show Profile
Thanks.

Allow my bad English.

What I'd ask here is that if I use UTF-8, will font families available/work?


font-family: "Times New Roman", "Times", "serif"


Will the basic (those come with windows system) families available? Esp for Chinese characters?

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Posted - 05 October 2002 :  23:21:14  Show Profile
Most of them do, but not on very old operating systems & browsers.<

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Posted - 06 October 2002 :  01:14:42  Show Profile
This is from http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=/servicedesks/webcasts/wc050400/WCT050400.asp:

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Internet Explorer 5.0 has a neat attribute: If you use an encoding other than Unicode and other than the English encoding — say, you use, for example the GB encoding for Chinese, or you use Shift-JIS for Japanese, and a user does not already have the fonts and anything else necessary on their system to view text for that language — Internet Explorer 5.0 will automatically go out and fetch it. It's called the Language Pack auto-download.

Now, this is not available directly with Unicode. A lot of people tend to shy away from using Unicode because Internet Explorer won't pick up on this. So if you create a Japanese file but you save it as UTF-8 and identify it as UTF-8 and a user doesn't have Japanese fonts on their machine, they won't get prompted for auto-download. The reasons for that are technical reasons surrounding how you determine whether or not a given character belongs to a given language. Just based on its Unicode number, it's kind of hard for Chinese, Japanese, and Korean to distinguish them sometimes.



CJK languages continue to be special cases and seem to have problems. There are also free DL's in MS site... Check these also:

http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/drintl/015/default.asp
http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/drintl/016/default.asp
http://www.microsoft.com/msdownload/iebuild/ime5_win32/en/ime5_win32.htm

I really cannot be more helpful except browsing the web, because I cannot test these languages (I don't understand these), although I have all these languages/fonts installed in my system...
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Posted - 06 October 2002 :  04:46:25  Show Profile

If I am not mistaken, starting with IE5 and definitely with IE6, there is no need to download special fonts for unicode as it already embeded with it (I think) and should be able to view unicoded (UTF-8)web contents by selecting encoding UTF8 without downloading fonts as it prompt for other locale lang fonts to view let say a shift-jis encoded web page to download necessary fonts for shift-jis to view the web site properly (and this is really a pretty cool feature of IE).... IME input methods comes with various editor/input system - Chinese comes with various input methods for both traditional and simplified. I have all Japanese, Chinese and Korean IME but use US keyboard setting. Global IME for Chinese comes for Chinese (PRC), Chinese (Taiwan), Chinese (Hong Kong)...which I have installed...Like Japanese, one of their input method has Chinese/English input - where you can do phonetic input to do kana/kanji conversion for locale and direct English inputs. A few different input methods come with both Chinese. Korean has a similar method but since I don't understand Hangul cannot comment.

But I think Global IME is for folks like me whose primary system (OS) environment is in English, as you can get locale OS and locale lang input/editing stuff with Windows NT, Windows 2000, and XP Pro....


Anyway, here is CJK wordprocessor/editor that has been very popular and supports various fonts and handles UTF8 as well.... I used to use it but don't now but it is one of the best known CJK editors/wordprocessors out there...

http://www.njstar.com/<

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bjlt
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Posted - 07 October 2002 :  02:42:28  Show Profile
just did another test, font families are still available for Chinese when using utf-8. Great.<
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