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Aznknight
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Posted - 11 August 2000 :  15:27:45  Show Profile  Send Aznknight an AOL message  Send Aznknight an ICQ Message
In the admin main forum configuration setup there's a option for nt authorization. How do i get this to work?

I've tried it and it says
"You have to enable non-Anonymous access for the forum on the server first "

which I think I did, by going to internet services manager and setting the directory security to integrated Windows authenication.

but after doing so i get the same message as above. What am i doing wrong here?

It'll be great if i could get this to work. Any help is appreciated.

I'm using Windows2000 Advance server.

Also, there's a typo in popup_config_help.asp#authtype
Authorization is spelled missing an "i"


- Alan
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gor
Retired Admin

Netherlands
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Posted - 11 August 2000 :  16:55:58  Show Profile  Visit gor's Homepage
Alan,

You have to set the non-Anomyous access in the Internet Service Manager of W2K <b>and </b> deselect the one for anonymous acess.
All the steps needed in W2K:

<li>Open the Internet Service Manager (you find that by selecting Setting > Control Panel > Administrative Tools)</li>
<li>Find the directory that you installed the forum in (probably in the Default Web Site list).</li>
<li>Right click it an select properties</li>
<li>Select the Directoy Security Tab</li>
<li>Click on the top Edit button</li>
<li><b>Deselect the Anonymous access checkbox</b></li>
<li>Check to see if the Integrated Windows authentication is checked (it should be)</li>

If you only have Internet Explorer users you can click OK twice to close the Authentication and properties screens.
If you also want to allow Netscape users:
<li>Select the option that says <i>Basic Authentication (password is sent in clear text)</i>. Click Yes at the warning pop-up that informs you about the security risk of sending NT passwords over a network without encryption.</li>

Now it ought to work ok. So you can go to the Admin Options screen and enable NT authentication for the forum.


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Aznknight
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USA
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Posted - 11 August 2000 :  17:13:31  Show Profile  Send Aznknight an AOL message  Send Aznknight an ICQ Message
Thanks for the reply gor.

Yeah this was exactly what i did. The thing that stomped me was that the admin configuration for authorization type doesn't reconize it and let me set authorization type as NT. Stills says that i have to "You have to enable non-Anonymous access for the forum on the server first". And yes the <b>Allowed anonymous access</b> is unchecked. I checked Windows integrated authenication instead of basic authenication since it's not as secure.

Has anyone else been able to get the nt authorization to work with this forum?


- Alan
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Kal Corp
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Posted - 11 August 2000 :  19:18:02  Show Profile  Visit Kal Corp's Homepage
The last time the code was updated, This problem came up.

Unless the code is updated soon, you would need to go into the database and just change FORUM_CONFIG / C_STRAUTHTYPE to "nt"



Edited by - Kal Corp on 12 October 2000 02:04:17
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Kal Corp
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Posted - 13 August 2000 :  17:54:29  Show Profile  Visit Kal Corp's Homepage
Did you get NT working?

I'm going to look at the code again, ( gor didnt you add this part?)

It would be nice to change it from the Admin options <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>.

Edited by - kal corp on 13 August 2000 17:56:53
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gor
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Netherlands
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Posted - 13 August 2000 :  18:08:01  Show Profile  Visit gor's Homepage
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
I'm going to look at the code again, (gor didnt you add this part?)

It would be nice to change it from the Admin options <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>.
<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

I'm afraid that I added that code, but it worked on my W2K machine ok before. Hadn't had time to look into this one yet.



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Aznknight
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USA
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Posted - 14 August 2000 :  20:11:39  Show Profile  Send Aznknight an AOL message  Send Aznknight an ICQ Message
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
Did you get NT working?
<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

Yeah I got NT authenication to work.

My main intranet site requires nt authenication and I have i've incorporated it with the forums.

I hacked the forums a bit so that registration is no longer required. Since in order for you to view the site in the first place you have to be authenicated, I went ahead add users into the database base on the authenicate server variables if the user is not already in the db.

Works great now. Thanks Gor for the original NT authenicate code <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

- Alan
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Kal Corp
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USA
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Posted - 15 August 2000 :  23:16:37  Show Profile  Visit Kal Corp's Homepage
I Also have code for the Full Name of the user.

I set

UserName to NT Full account Name
UserID to NT to Account Name

And yes it is automaticly done <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

If you want the code just ask

I'm playing with the exchange servers now to get the E-mail path <img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle>. Just got a password problem
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gor
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Netherlands
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Posted - 16 August 2000 :  02:33:46  Show Profile  Visit gor's Homepage
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
Works great now. Thanks Gor for the original NT authenicate code <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>
<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

Thanks, but I only did the part that checked if the non-Anonymous access was set.
Wouldn't want to take credit for work I didn't do. Don't remember who did though...



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Aznknight
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USA
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Posted - 16 August 2000 :  04:10:52  Show Profile  Send Aznknight an AOL message  Send Aznknight an ICQ Message
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
I Also have code for the Full Name of the user.

I set

UserName to NT Full account Name
UserID to NT to Account Name

And yes it is automaticly done <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

If you want the code just ask
<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

Kal Corp, I would like to see your code for this <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
I'm playing with the exchange servers now to get the E-mail path <img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle>. Just got a password problem

<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

My sys admin would consider it hacking if i played around with the exchange servers at work <img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle>.

A month or two back, I played around with cdonts and spoofed her and now i'm on her list hehe <img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>

- Alan
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Kal Corp
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USA
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Posted - 16 August 2000 :  08:39:25  Show Profile  Visit Kal Corp's Homepage
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
Thanks, but I only did the part that checked if the non-Anonymous access was set.
Wouldn't want to take credit for work I didn't do. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

What a guy, Even takes credit for the one thing that does not work <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Hay Aznknight

If you downloaded my code, The NT Group MOD will have a Var "NTUserFullName" set in the config.asp

Edited by - Kal Corp on 16 August 2000 08:42:48
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gor
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Netherlands
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Posted - 16 August 2000 :  08:56:24  Show Profile  Visit gor's Homepage
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
What a guy, Even takes credit for the one thing that does not work <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

Hmm, had that one coming I guess.
So why didn't you fix it then ?
After all you <i>are</i> the NT Authentication Moderator ! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Try this:
In <b>admin_config_system.asp</b> add the blue line of code (code starts about line 61):
<pre id=code><font face=courier size=2 id=code>
if not(mLev = 4 and getMemberNumber(Request.Cookies("User")("Name")) = 1) then
Err_Msg = Err_Msg & "<li>Only the Admin user can change the Authentication type of the board</li>"
else
<font color=blue> call NTauthenticate()</font id=blue>
if Session("userid") = "" then
Err_Msg = Err_Msg & "<li>You have to enable non-Anonymous access for the forum on the server first</li>"
else
</font id=code></pre id=code>



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timwalker
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Posted - 30 August 2000 :  12:02:51  Show Profile
I'm hoping to use NT accounts for the forum--not really for authentification, but to keep DB size low and to minimize profile duplication. I've only been looking into this form for a couple days, so I'm unfamiliar with it's structure. When using NT groups for user id & passwords, is a duplicate user profile created in the forum database or does it just refer to NT for any given profile?
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Kal Corp
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USA
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Posted - 01 September 2000 :  07:45:00  Show Profile  Visit Kal Corp's Homepage
The database is still updated with the user information.


Edited by - Kal Corp on 12 October 2000 02:03:58
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timwalker
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Posted - 05 September 2000 :  16:49:08  Show Profile
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
The database is still updated with the user information.

3 Testing forums - 2 w/DB + 1 w/NT
Forums use same database + mod's
http://vasserver.dyndns.org/forums_2000/forum1/default.asp
<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
The NT integration works slick. Yet I think I'll stick to the general user profile DB table since the data would be duplicated otherwise. So this brings me to another question: What size is the average forum Access database? Have any idea? I'm hoping to keep it under a few MB, but I'm expecting around 400+/- users.<img src=icon_smile_shy.gif border=0 align=middle>




Edited by - timwalker on 05 September 2000 16:50:25
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Kal Corp
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USA
878 Posts

Posted - 06 September 2000 :  18:02:49  Show Profile  Visit Kal Corp's Homepage
DB and NT mode use the same database Tables.

DB will use
M_Name
M_Password

NT will use
M_Name
M_UserName

I even have one database with both db and NT Forums pointing to it. Works Great.

If anything about NT, you dont have to register. But if you want to be logged in as one account and get into the forum with another you need DB. (You still could use both )

As to size I have one db with 70 users and 1000 posts only 1.6mb. And other with 2500 users still only a few mbs


Edited by - Kal Corp on 12 October 2000 02:03:38
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