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Jeepaholic
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 Posted - 18 January 2002 : 17:31:12
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Good point. Made me look! Haha. FYI, although it doesn't explicitly say anywhere obvious that the book I referenced above is for Beta 2, it is. If you look on page 40+ (where they talk about installation) you will quickly see it.
Also, "Professional ASP.NET, 2nd Edition" is due out in February sometime...you can pre-order it and Amazon will ship when released.
Al Bsharah
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BeBu01
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Posted - 18 January 2002 : 17:40:34
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www.asp.net has links to many other .NET sites, as well as quick starts and sample applications.
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work mule
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Posted - 18 January 2002 : 19:45:17
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.NET does look interesting.
I agree with gor's advice of waiting for the final/1.0 release. Otherwise you'll be sitting there looking at your book, scratching your head and wondering why the example in the book isn't working. Spending $40+ on a book is a lot to spend on something that might be outdated, incorrect or incomplete.
If ASP is the only programming language you've ever programmed in and you're thinking of learning .NET, don't start off on a big project and hope to learn .NET at the same time, especially if you have a deadline.
Personally, I'd like to wait a bit to see how other people are using it - bugs, tricks, advice, suggestions, etc. Yes, it's been available for people to develop with and experiment, but this clause still remains:
5. PRERELEASE CODE. Portions of the Product may be identified as prerelease code ("Prerelease Code"). Such Prerelease Code is not at the level of performance and compatibility of the final, generally available product offering. The Prerelease Code may not operate correctly and may be substantially modified prior to first commercial shipment. Microsoft is not obligated to make this or any later version of the Prerelease Code commercially available. The grant of license to use Prerelease Code expires upon availability of a commercial release of the Prerelease Code from Microsoft. NOTE: In the event that Prerelease Code contains a separate end-user license agreement, the terms and conditions of such end-user license agreement shall govern your use of the corresponding Prerelease Code.
As a side-note, after having spent some time working with PHP, it's sort of a shame that it's taken this long for people developing ASP sites to get access to some of the features (without having to write and/or purchase custom COM components) which have been available or built into other scripting languages for awhile now.
Having had to wait so long for .NET, it better be good! 
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Nathan
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Posted - 18 January 2002 : 21:02:03
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Having had to wait so long for .NET, it better be good!
Amen 
Nathan Bales - Romans 15:13
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Azaniah
Senior Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 January 2002 : 07:54:29
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ok,
Here's the next question(s) then...
Is it worth me saving my pennies and buying visual studio.net?
Should I learn Javascript (better), and or C#?
Should I give up on access and get a real database and if so which one? and on what platform should I do all this? XP Pro?
Cheers Az
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gor
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Posted - 19 January 2002 : 08:02:24
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Is it worth me saving my pennies and buying visual studio.net?
Don't know about that, haven't played with it yet.
The things I coded untill now (small things), I did using the same EditPad text-editor I use when coding something for the forums.
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Should I learn Javascript (better), and or C#?
You can learn C# or stick with Visual Basic
You won't be able to use VBScript (that is what this forum uses), but for me (as a not-programmer) I found using Visual Basic to be closer to home.
One cool thing of course is that if I were to code something like a pagelet in Visual Basic.NET and you were writing an application using C# that you could still use it without a problem.
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Should I give up on access and get a real database and if so which one? and on what platform should I do all this? XP Pro?
For the ASP.NET part you need IIS, hence you need at least NT
The SDK didn't install on Windows 98. I don't think Microsoft is going to release something like a Personal Webserver with ASP.NET support (though they didn't say they wouldn't).
No need to switch to XP (for this).
If you install ADO.NET you could even stick with Access if you like. Even with ASP.NET you can use an Access database to store the data.
Like with 'classic' ASP it all depends on what you want.
Pierre
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Azaniah
Senior Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 January 2002 : 09:06:55
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It doesn't support vbscript?
Darn, thats about the only thing I half know..., hmm which way forward?
I'm running WIN 2k Pro at the moment, but am going to move to XP Pro soon as the new box is built..
CHeers AZ
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gor
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Posted - 19 January 2002 : 09:42:50
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It doesn't support vbscript?
Darn, thats about the only thing I half know..., hmm which way forward?
The syntax of VBScript and Visual Basic(.NET) are almost the same, though there are a couple of differences.
You should be able to get the hang of Visual Basic.NET easy enough if you know some VBScript.
Take a look here for some of the changes.
There is another page there called Five Steps to Getting Started with ASP.NET which explains in 5 (!) steps how to get started.
Pierre
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Azaniah
Senior Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 January 2002 : 09:45:40
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I'd be interested to see what other people are going to be delving into. If they will use VB.Net C# Javascript...
For once I'd like to learn the same language as other people ...
Cheers Az
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DarkLight
Starting Member
USA
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Posted - 24 January 2002 : 12:52:21
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The MS enterprise architect version of Visual Studio has some sample frameworks. It really does seperate the code from the layout. They even go into seperate files (optionally). One of the enterprise frameworks that is released as a sample has layers like this...
BusinessFacade
BusinessRules
DataAccess
SystemFrameworks
WebService
WebUI
WinUI
So the 2 presentation layers are really WebUI and WinUI where you would put the display stuff that everybody is familiar with. The DataAccess is self explanatory and the BusinessFacade just abstracts the BusinessRules layer for the business logic. It looks pretty interesting. Having Visual Studio definitely makes it easier to compile the stuff, and organize it all (the auto completion and stuff saves lots of typing too)... I don't mean to sound like an MS salesman, but it is a huge step forward for ASP. If/when someone starts coding a Snitz.NET, I'd like to help. Email me at darklight@dstylus.com.
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Aznknight
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Posted - 24 January 2002 : 13:26:59
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I'd be interested to see what other people are going to be delving into. If they will use VB.Net C# Javascript...
For once I'd like to learn the same language as other people ...
Cheers Az
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I've been developing with .net almost exclusively since september. I would suggest that if you start getting .Net, program with C# since asp.net is new paradigm anyways, it's a great time to pick up a new language. C# provides the ease of use of vb but the power of c++. It's my language of choice now.
- Alan
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Azaniah
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Posted - 24 January 2002 : 14:30:14
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Alan,
For a non C programmer, ( or any real language to be honest) is C# a hard language to pick up?
Cheers Az
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Nathan
Help Moderator
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Posted - 25 January 2002 : 02:11:53
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C++ was my first language, it wasn't hard to pick up.
If you have done much with Javascript the syntax for C# should be easy to pick up.
Nathan Bales - Romans 15:13
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Aznknight
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Posted - 26 January 2002 : 21:15:09
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Alan,
For a non C programmer, ( or any real language to be honest) is C# a hard language to pick up?
For myself it was just a matter of syntax. I got use to it real quick. right now i'm so use to c# that it's slower to code in vb than with c#. I had prior experience with Java though before I stuck with vb. now c# is my language of choice.
once you understand the fundamentals of programming, all that differientiate the languages is the syntax.
- Alan
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Nathan
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Posted - 26 January 2002 : 21:23:40
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You could get to the point that it would be faster to code in C# just because there are fewer keystrokes than vbScript.
Nathan Bales - Romans 15:13
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