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magius
Starting Member
Italy
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 Posted - 15 November 2000 : 15:18:36
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It will be interesting to have in the space
http://forum.snitz.com/archive/an archive of the "unofficial" code add-ons, ready to install, made by the users of snitz.forum. Somewhere in the snitz.forums I see piecies of code and links to modified snitz.forum, but can be really useful to have all that mods only in one place and ready to download!
Is that idea a duplication of "DEV Design Requests W/Code" forum? No, because in the forum often there's not a "ready to download" code (code in a zip format with possibly a *readme* install instructions), so - waiting for the next release [I see in a lot of posts of dev team people, they say they have to work for themselves (bread!) and so have no time to test all the projects posted in the forums]- a "normal user" can try to implement new feautures, immediately.
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gor
Retired Admin
Netherlands
5511 Posts |
Posted - 15 November 2000 : 16:05:05
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magius,
Good idea, I think Mike said it before, but just in case he didn't:
Mods that are tested and considered bug-free can be posted to him (or for that matter even me) to be put in the archive.
There is no category for that yet, but once the first zip-file is recieved a Finished Mods category will be created.
The Mods would have to be in a zip-file with a readme with instructions like: a short description of what the mod does, the version of the forum the mod has been tested on, what database-version it has been tested on and how to install it.
<b>Pierre Gorissen</b>
<font color=blue><font size=1>Even if you're on the right track,
you'll get run over if you just sit there.</font id=blue></font id=size1>
<font size=1><font color=black>Will Rogers</font id=size1></font id=black> |
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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
20600 Posts |
Posted - 15 November 2000 : 21:18:30
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That's why they get released as they do, we rely heavily on the users for debugging, what works on your test site may not always work on everyone elses, it is their help that gets them sorted out to a point where anyone can just install it.
Some of us are adopting animedj's mod commander, which gives you a link to admin, setup scripts and a readme file from the admin home page without having to change so much of the forum code to plug things in.
<font color=blue>'Resistance is futile'</font id=blue> |
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Aznknight
Senior Member
USA
1373 Posts |
Posted - 15 November 2000 : 22:19:31
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Yes animedj's mod commander is a godsend if anyone plan to install and use mods.
- Alan
alan@calvsa.net
www.calvsa.net
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gor
Retired Admin
Netherlands
5511 Posts |
Posted - 16 November 2000 : 02:47:48
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Ok, just to make sure I didn't got misunderstood: I don't mind that the mods are released the way they are now. I aggree with HuwR that the only way to get them bugfree is to have lots of other developers test and use them.
But some of them have reached maturety and are safe even for all users, and others are only for those that don't mind experimenting with it a bit more.
Both are now in the same forum, and it can be a bit hard for someone that doesn't keep a close eye on them to tell what there status is.
That was why I thought it was a good idea to keep those that are stable in the archive.
(if they need updating afterwards that is no big deal, as long as the files don't need to be swapped daily)
<b>Pierre Gorissen</b>
<font color=blue><font size=1>Even if you're on the right track,
you'll get run over if you just sit there.</font id=blue></font id=size1>
<font size=1><font color=black>Will Rogers</font id=size1></font id=black> |
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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
20600 Posts |
Posted - 16 November 2000 : 03:41:56
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Sorry gor, didn't mean it to sound like I wasn't in support, just pointing out to magius why we have hem as they are, but yeah somewhere to download without having to troll through pages of topics to make sure you have all the right bits would be nice.
It may be good to use a non dev member as moderator, so they could check the instructions etc before making it generally available.
<font color=blue>'Resistance is futile'</font id=blue> |
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gor
Retired Admin
Netherlands
5511 Posts |
Posted - 16 November 2000 : 04:48:59
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Sorry gor, didn't mean it to sound like I wasn't in support, just pointing out to magius why we have hem as they are, but yeah somewhere to download without having to troll through pages of topics to make sure you have all the right bits would be nice.
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No problem, wasn't offended or anything by what you wrote, just was making sure you weren't <img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>
(but since we both weren't: no harm done)
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It may be good to use a non dev member as moderator, so they could check the instructions etc before making it generally available.
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Hmm, just wondering how this would work, because 9 out 10 members that are around long enough to be "trusted" as moderator have got a lot of experience in installing the forum or ASP in general.
<b>Pierre Gorissen</b>
<font color=blue><font size=1>Even if you're on the right track,
you'll get run over if you just sit there.</font id=blue></font id=size1>
<font size=1><font color=black>Will Rogers</font id=size1></font id=black> |
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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
20600 Posts |
Posted - 16 November 2000 : 05:44:07
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Hmm, just wondering how this would work, because 9 out 10 members that are around long enough to be "trusted" as moderator have got a lot of experience in installing the forum or ASP in general.
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I meant so that someone independant of the author checked the install to make sure it was ok.
<font color=blue>'Resistance is futile'</font id=blue> |
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gor
Retired Admin
Netherlands
5511 Posts |
Posted - 16 November 2000 : 07:29:04
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Ah I see, I don't really consider that a big problem: the mods get tested during development, and during that time they are introduced as a topic in the Development Requests With Code forum.
If after a while the author sees that the discussion ends and concludes that it must be relative bug-free, he/she sends it to Mike or me and the topic gets locked in the forum.
We could have a "Help: Mods for Snitz" forum for questions about mods in het Archive. An author can decide to update the mod if there are questions there that looks like a bug in the mod.
<b>Pierre Gorissen</b>
<font color=blue><font size=1>Even if you're on the right track,
you'll get run over if you just sit there.</font id=blue></font id=size1>
<font size=1><font color=black>Will Rogers</font id=size1></font id=black> |
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Maxwell
Starting Member
USA
42 Posts |
Posted - 16 December 2000 : 00:15:24
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Did anyone ever decide anything on this? As a new user of the Snitz it would be extremely helpful to be able to see what mods were available for use.
Also, a couple of questions about the mods in general.
1. Is there a comprehensive list of mods available. I realize every website which uses Snitz probably has some type of change to the code, but it seems there are some mods which have been adopted by the Snitz community and others which seem just too specific for the community as a whole to concentrate on. Perhaps "official" Snitz mods would be an appropriate title so everyone can know which mods are being considered for inclusion in future versions.
2. How do you know if the mods are going to work together? Do the new mods assume you start from a clean Version 3.1 SR 2 or do they require you to have other mods to make those mods work? i.e., do I have to have the whose online mod to make the announcements mod work, or does it matter, or will they not work together.
Perhaps a table of some sort to show the relationship between official Snitz mods would be best to show this:
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A-Whose Online
B-Announcements
C-Smile
D-Private Messages
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The table show A, B, and D mod compatible with each other while C is not compatible with any of the others. In addition, having A is a prerequisite for D to work.
3. If you can figure out which mods are compatible then perhaps bundled mods could be offered. For example, using the above table the Whose Online, Announcements, and Private Messages could be offered separately or in combination. This would prevent multiple update to the same .asp pages.
4. Finally, if a user installs a mod or creates a mod for Snitz, what prevents him or her from being excluded from future versions of Snitz? This has been a main concern for me in adopting a mod, because when version 4 comes out I wouldn't want to be either forced to drop a mod or forced to re-add all the mods I had installed. I'm not talking about redoing code specific for my site. I understand that may happen. But if I install the announcements mod which is compatible with v3.1 SR2, can I upgrade to v4 and still either have the announcements mod or know it will be included in v4?
I know most of this has probably been discussed, but I think having a clear status of mods through the use of a mods forum along with a section in the Add-On's will do wonders for beginner such as myself. It will also facilitate improvement of the forums by better allowing someone who wants to update the code see immediately where improvements can be made.
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Da_Stimulator
DEV Team Forum Moderator
USA
3373 Posts |
Posted - 16 December 2000 : 00:32:51
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Finally... some motivation to get my little 'library' up and running the way it should be...
<font color=red>Da_Stimulator</font id=red>
<font color=red>http://www.cfm-resources.com/s/stimmy/</font id=red>
<font color=blue>response.write("I know what you coded last summer!")</font id=blue>
http://www.tek-tips.com - The community where computer proffesionals meet and talk. |
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work mule
Senior Member
USA
1358 Posts |
Posted - 16 December 2000 : 02:19:30
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Finally... some motivation to get my little 'library' up and running the way it should be...
<font color=red>Da_Stimulator</font id=red>
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There was a very recent discussion along the same lines. <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>
http://forum.snitz.com/forum/link.asp?TOPIC_ID=2714
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Da_Stimulator
DEV Team Forum Moderator
USA
3373 Posts |
Posted - 16 December 2000 : 02:24:19
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look closely at the author of that topic...
<font color=red>Da_Stimulator</font id=red>
<font color=red>http://www.cfm-resources.com/s/stimmy/</font id=red>
<font color=blue>response.write("I know what you coded last summer!")</font id=blue>
http://www.tek-tips.com - The community where computer proffesionals meet and talk. |
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work mule
Senior Member
USA
1358 Posts |
Posted - 16 December 2000 : 02:46:03
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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>look closely at the author of that topic...<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
I hear drum beating.....<img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>
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http://www.tek-tips.com - The community where computer proffesionals meet and talk.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
Uhm...you may want to look closely at your signature and then look here.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Maxwell
Starting Member
USA
42 Posts |
Posted - 16 December 2000 : 09:06:24
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Oops, I didn't realize there was already a topic on it. <img src=icon_smile_blush.gif border=0 align=middle>
One more reason for me to suggest having a central location.
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Davio
Development Team Member
Jamaica
12217 Posts |
Posted - 16 December 2000 : 12:25:51
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hmmm, sorry to be off topic here but, have any of you guys noticed the time stamp for some of these messages? Gor's post right before Maxwells is on the 16th, around 07:00. And then Maxwells post is on the 16th, a few minutes after midnight 00:15.
Is it just me?
<center><font color=green>*----*----*----*----*----*----*----*----*
<font size=2>"To Get To Heaven,
It's Who You Know That Counts."</font id=size2>
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