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e3stone
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 Posted - 25 August 2001 : 15:46:57
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I was just looking at the phpBB site...which runs at lightening speed..don't know if its the php code, MySQL DB, or the server...might be a combination of both. I noticed that when they release a beta version of the code (similar to the 3.3 version) they have a 'closed' beta testing session. Random people signup for the testing session and they choose several people. It doesn't say how many there are, but that seems like a good idea. Say for example when version 3.3 was ready to be released, Snitz would hand-pick a certain number of people that weren't on the development team to test it...plus the development team would test it at the same time. I know its wise to take the idea that Microsoft uses "its better to release software that has a few bugs than to wait to release it and have your competition catch up with you", but I think this would cut down on the number of people who aren't familiar with ASP posting questions or just generally turning them off from this forum code.
The phpBB meeting notes are located here: http://phpbb.sourceforge.net/chat.html
They mention that this "closed" beta testing would cut down on the number of bug reports/support questions, therefore making gor's and all the other development team member's lives a little more easy.
So, here's my 'two cents'  on future releases of the code: 1) don't upgrade the snitz site to the new version until a majority of the bugs are out. 2) have a 'closed' beta testing session consisting of people who are familiar with ASP and DBs. 3) once a good amount of the major bugs are fixed, then we can release the code for the general population to download. Perhaps this method is already being employed and I'm just not aware of it
I love some of the new features of the 3.3 code and I'd like to eventually see that it can have the same or better performance than version 3.1sr4.....which I think it will.
<-- Eric -->
Long live 3.1sr4!! 
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big9erfan
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Posted - 25 August 2001 : 18:13:55
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Eric,
I think you missed one thing about the 3.3 as it neared it's release. There were dozens and dozens of 3.3-alpha releases that people could download and test. The reason why nobody did? My only guess is b/c they didn't want to have to deal with bugs and wanted to wait for a production release so they wouldn't have to do much.
A lot of people don't like using beta/alpha programs b/c they are trying to serve a customer ( or group ) and if the program they are using isn't stable, how can they serve their customers well? See what I mean. I think the best thing that the guys here at snitz did was when they had 3.1 and 3.3 running at the same time and both pulled from the same database. I think had they done this longer and maybe pushed the members a little more to first try and post on the 3.3 site a lot more bugs would have been found and taken care of prior to an initial release. But so goes the software cycle. You always have people screaming and ***ing b/c you don't have a new version out yet, and then those same people *** and scream some more about it being rushed when you get a version out that's not perfect.
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work mule
Senior Member
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Posted - 25 August 2001 : 18:41:25
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I was just looking at the phpBB site...which runs at lightening speed..don't know if its the php code, MySQL DB, or the server...might be a combination of both.
The server will be a big factor, but my theory is that if you took the same machines and installed PHP and mySQL on one and ASP and SQL Server on another, my bet is that you'll get better performance out of the PHP/mySQL combo. How much? I don't know.
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gor
Retired Admin
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Posted - 25 August 2001 : 18:54:36
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Sad, but true, to see how true check out http://forum.snitz.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7319.
And I have to admit I got (too) eager to get version 3.3 out, had the feeling everyone had been waiting too long for it.
One thing I don't worry about is the competition. I really don't know what version they release when. Having 13,000 downloads in a month is nice, but I would also do it if it were only 1,000.
Just know we've become more professional since last year. Back with the versions 2.x there were releases as soon as a couple of fixes were added, no setup.asp, no easy upgrade, just change it yourself in the database, installation for Sql Server was done by means of a script based on a dump of an existing database....
But then again, the userbase was different back then.
At the moment there are only a few people that really now the code and also only a few that are willing to spend a couple of days to test everything (fresh install / upgrade / different databaseversions / Linux + Chili!Asp etc.) and even with a version installed on the site here, we don't get many bugreports. Not until we provide it as official download. The two / three days after a release are bad days for me, because then all the bugreports come in, and people expect them to be fixed right away.
But then again, the more people without ASP knowledge start using the forums, the better the forum must be getting.
Hand-picking means we decide we can and can't test a beta/alpha. Well, as far as I'm conserned, consider yourself handpicked. You're invited to test each and every beta/alpha we'll release. All others that want to be handpicked: apply bu replying to this topic and consider yourself accepted to test.
Pierre
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gor
Retired Admin
Netherlands
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Posted - 25 August 2001 : 18:57:00
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I was just looking at the phpBB site...which runs at lightening speed..don't know if its the php code, MySQL DB, or the server...might be a combination of both.
The server will be a big factor, but my theory is that if you took the same machines and installed PHP and mySQL on one and ASP and SQL Server on another, my bet is that you'll get better performance out of the PHP/mySQL combo. How much? I don't know.
A compiled language (PHP) always has an speed advantage over an interpreted language (ASP). Just wait until ASP.NET final is being released, talk about a really powerfull concept 
Pierre
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Doug G
Support Moderator
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Posted - 25 August 2001 : 21:59:31
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A compiled language (PHP) always has an speed advantage over an interpreted language (ASP). Just wait until ASP.NET final is being released, talk about a really powerfull concept
But PHP is not compiled either, PHP uses a scripting language in a similar manner to the way ASP uses VBScript, Javascript, Perlscript, etc.
.NET appears quite cool.
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gor
Retired Admin
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Posted - 26 August 2001 : 01:58:17
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A compiled language (PHP) always has an speed advantage over an interpreted language (ASP). Just wait until ASP.NET final is being released, talk about a really powerfull concept
But PHP is not compiled either, PHP uses a scripting language in a similar manner to the way ASP uses VBScript, Javascript, Perlscript, etc.
Oh, I thought it was at least cached and not interpreted with each page load like with ASP 
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Pierre
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Doug G
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Posted - 26 August 2001 : 18:00:18
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Oh, I thought it was at least cached and not interpreted with each page load like with ASP
I don't think there are any significant differences in the overall concept between php and asp, but I'm far from a php expert. In both environments there is a scripting language that gets run by the server when the page loads. php may have some kind of caching advantage, although IIS also caches asp pages. John probably knows.
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