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| Etymon |
Posted - 10 March 2009 : 21:08:15
I see a lot of PHP sites and not so many Classic ASP sites and not really that many ASP.NET sites either.
* Is Classic taking a breather or is it on a downhill slide?
* Is PHP perhaps to dominate the market in the future?
* Is PHP dominating the market currently?
I have no plans on going away from Classic ASP myself, but I am curious what is going on in the mainstream. |
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| HuwR |
Posted - 13 March 2009 : 08:21:35
well, if you want to do anything complex in PHP you need to learn entire third party libraries and how to include them, so what is the difference ? |
| SiSL |
Posted - 13 March 2009 : 08:07:34
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Originally posted by HuwR
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Yeah, I know that but that "Taking Longer" part directly makes me think , "it can't be"
why?
it is no different to writing Classic ASP in whatever editor you want, ASP.Net websites can be built the same way, just that the pages are called .aspx not .asp, you do not need any fancy editor to do it, and even if you did, the express editions are available for free, so it won't cost you anything.
Is it? I always thought you have to memorize entire classes and includes, rather than knowing what commands do unlike classic ASP or PHP...
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| HuwR |
Posted - 13 March 2009 : 07:57:59
quote:
Yeah, I know that but that "Taking Longer" part directly makes me think , "it can't be"
why?
it is no different to writing Classic ASP in whatever editor you want, ASP.Net websites can be built the same way, just that the pages are called .aspx not .asp, you do not need any fancy editor to do it, and even if you did, the express editions are available for free, so it won't cost you anything. |
| SiSL |
Posted - 13 March 2009 : 04:17:31
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Originally posted by HuwR
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Never enjoyed the languages that you must write with a specific editor like asp.net as well.
you can write asp.net in notepad if you want, it does not require visual studio, it would just take a lot longer 
Yeah, I know that but that "Taking Longer" part directly makes me think , "it can't be" |
| Etymon |
Posted - 12 March 2009 : 12:35:41
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| Panhandler |
Posted - 12 March 2009 : 08:50:35
My guess is that as long as there is a demand for asp servers, there will be asp servers. Perhaps in a minority, but they won't go away. |
| HuwR |
Posted - 12 March 2009 : 03:47:42
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Never enjoyed the languages that you must write with a specific editor like asp.net as well.
you can write asp.net in notepad if you want, it does not require visual studio, it would just take a lot longer |
| SiSL |
Posted - 12 March 2009 : 02:42:32
Same with HuwR and Etymoon here, know PHP, dont like it...
Never enjoyed the languages that you must write with a specific editor like asp.net as well.
We are lucky to have ASP / VBscript around which is like "B.A.S.I.C" since C64 :)
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| Doug G |
Posted - 11 March 2009 : 23:04:47
I don't do much coding these days, but the small bits I do are pretty much in php, mostly on linux servers. I'm not overly fond of php as a 'language' but there are some real good free apps that run exceptionally well in php/mysql which I like to use.
Until recently, my biggest problem with PHP was the lack of a decent free IDE with debugging, but I just got the new PDT Eclipse all-in-one with the integrated Zend debugger. It was a no-brainer to get running on a Fedora linux computer, it took a bit of research to get server debugging going, but otherwise PDT Eclipse provides the tools I'd missed in PHP. I expect to do some more php coding now that I have a decent free IDE.
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| AnonJr |
Posted - 11 March 2009 : 06:44:01
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Originally posted by Etymon
Oh, AnonJr, you said, "When Microsoft finally cuts support for ASP/VBScript" ... are you saying that eventually Microsoft servers won't support those things or just that corporate will no longer provide documentation/patch support eventually?
It seems to me that Microsoft is really wants to get rid of ASP/VBScript since every time a new server product comes out there's the inevitable "This may be the last edition to support..." etc. etc.
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Originally posted by HuwR
nobody here heard of Mono?
Yes, I have. And I've heard that its come a long way since I last looked at it. Its probably time I looked again. |
| Etymon |
Posted - 11 March 2009 : 02:08:43
Thanks guys.
I am a Snitz fan. Maybe that's because I started learning Classic ASP when I was introduced to Snitz. I've seen other packages around, but still, for me there isn't any other Classic ASP package out there that I enjoy messing around with on a regular basis more than Snitz.
If I want to make the Snitz forums into a blog or a classifieds or a seemingly almost whatever else my mind has the experience to imagine, I allow the Snitz forums to provide the basis for me. I know most of the functions and subs as well as the innuendos pretty well. If I need something to do something I really already have a library to draw from via the base code as well as the so many mods that have been offered through the years.
Regarding PHP, I'm kind of like Huw but on a smaller scale. I can find my way around PHP when I apply myself, but PHP doesn't really attract my interests enough to make me want to take the plunge to master it. I do have to admit that I like what the folks have done with PHP. I like the idea behind WordPress and how the widgets are applied from the end-user's point of view ... seems so simple.
With learning PHP thoroughly, I figure if it is pretty easy for others to finger into, then if I really needed to I could pretty easily finger into it too.
I remember it being a very affordable alternative to Microsoft on the server and hosting end of things. Well, just some concerns I had.
Oh, AnonJr, you said, "When Microsoft finally cuts support for ASP/VBScript" ... are you saying that eventually Microsoft servers won't support those things or just that corporate will no longer provide documentation/patch support eventually?
Thanks again everyone. |
| HuwR |
Posted - 11 March 2009 : 01:42:07
I would agree with classic, plu .Net is also platform independant, nobody here heard of Mono ?
And you should also remember that PHP is ascripting languages wheras ASP and ASP.Net are application development platforms (which are not language specific)
companies tens to use .net because not only can we build websites but we can also write fully fledged applications using the same languages and tools. |
| Classicmotorcycling |
Posted - 11 March 2009 : 01:33:51
I would say the main reason is the cost for hosting. Most user also find ASP harder to code than PHP. Me on the other hand find it easier to code in ASP than PHP and have done a couple of sites in PHP and can do what I need to do to get the site running, but have most in ASP. At my regular job, we have Sharepoint for the intranet and our Internet sites are ASP.
I would say it is long from dead and will continue for a few years yet... |
| AnonJr |
Posted - 10 March 2009 : 22:58:08
I seem to remember reading somewhere that a large number of corporate intranets are written in ASP, and I know I still run into quite a few out in the wide ranges of the interweb too. I suspect we'll see it around for a while yet.
I'm willing to bet that you see a lot of PHP in the various blogs, etc. - and likely because PHP/Linux hosting is much cheaper than Windows hosting.
When Microsoft finally cuts support for ASP/VBScript I will likely make the jump to PHP instead of .NET as I'm slowly migrating my skill set to be more platform-neutral. But that's just me.
Remember: this is all opinion and vague recollection, so take it for what its worth. |
| JJenson |
Posted - 10 March 2009 : 21:37:36
I think many people use php cause there are many cheaper/free solutions out there in regards to hosting and so forth. At least in my experience that seems to be a main reason for php.
At my work they only use php cause of this. I almost do nothing with it at home though. |
