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| TSAloha |
Posted - 16 August 2008 : 11:56:54
I thought this is an interesting article on Windows... Basically saying Vista sucks and MS in a big trouble??
http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/what-comes-after-windows-era< |
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| JJenson |
Posted - 18 August 2008 : 09:54:03
I have switched all of my computers but 1 to vista as well as got siblings who are not computer literate in any way to purchase computers with vista.
They have not had any issues with vista that I keep hearing about. They have all installed Office, Games for kids, and printers and so forth without issue. They didn't have to go out and buy new routers/printers/software just to run on their vista machines.
But I guess they just got lucky but so far dealing with about 7 computers in all with all of them running vista only 1 program wouldn't run tried to install on xp and still wouldn't
As far as saying that MS should make their OS work with older software/hardware this is not the case when people went from VHS to DVD they had to buy all their old VHS ina new format to make them work.
Any new game system for the most part will not play old games my wii will play gamecube but they won't let it play any of the old games like mario and goldeneye. Oh well dang nintendo.< |
| Carefree |
Posted - 17 August 2008 : 15:19:43
On the issue of whether Vista sucks, though, I have a few cents worth. I bought a new laptop for my daughter about a year ago. Came with Vista Premium. Tried to install MS Office 2007. 10 minutes later, was still waiting for the setup screen to open.
Got disgusted. Reformatted the drive, eliminating Vista partitioning, etc., installed XP. Installing Office? 1 second to open the setup screen.
XP - 10 out of 10, Vista -10 out of 10.
Built a powerhouse computer a month ago for a friend. (8GB DDR2 PCI800 memory, 1333 FSB, two core-2 quad 2.8 GHz processors, 512 MB DDR2 PCI Express, etc.)... On THAT computer, Vista is happy. But 99% of store-bought computers won't have that kind of system.< |
| Carefree |
Posted - 17 August 2008 : 15:13:05
For that matter, MS could declare bankruptcy after spending $800 billion or so, and the federal government would probably bail them out like it did the savings & loans, auto manufacturers, oil companies, etc. Seems like the more money you owe, the more likely that the feds will assist.
The small businessman is treated a bit differently. They tax the crap out of him, harass him with compliance issues (like installing wheelchair ramps, beveled and sloping sidewalks, and handicapped bathrooms). When was the last time you saw someone in a wheelchair delivering a broken tower to a computer repair facility? Have to have safety glass on windows (in case someone breaks in - don't want him to cut himself), etc., etc. They basically do everything possible to force small businessmen to close shop.< |
| AnonJr |
Posted - 17 August 2008 : 10:42:27
Indeed. MS has enough money that they can fail at a lot of things for a while before they are in too much trouble. They can always pull an amazing turn around at any point in time too - a la IBM or Apple< |
| Doug G |
Posted - 17 August 2008 : 00:40:28
quote:
I thought this is an interesting article on Windows... Basically saying Vista sucks and MS in a big trouble??
Vista doesn't suck, but it's disappointing. But MS is hardly in big trouble, unless you mean they have trouble trying to figure out where to spend all the oceans of cash they have :)
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| AnonJr |
Posted - 16 August 2008 : 22:51:21
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Originally posted by SiSL
AnonJr: Anything you have given as examples are not fault of Vista's... Anything that has been made for old technology unless they update their capabilities to work with new ones are SUBJECT to die.
So jumping through extra hoops to hook up to a secure wireless network is a legacy problem? Bugging the snot out of your users (even with UAC off) every time they install/configure something is a legacy issue?
I can't speak to the Mac experience as the last apple I used was an Apple IIgs...
I think with projects like Ubuntu, Linux is almost there in terms of the user experience for Grandma in Duluth.< |
| bobby131313 |
Posted - 16 August 2008 : 19:50:04
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I have Vista and all of my programs have very same tab available... Feels like you didn't even bothered to use it. I've never yet to fail a program that I use before and that does not run under Windows Vista 64-bit.
Don't have Vista and don't want it. I was responding to your comments insinuating that Vista shouldn't be responsible for reverse compatibility and that XP wasn't, when it indeed is.< |
| SiSL |
Posted - 16 August 2008 : 19:30:01
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Originally posted by bobby131313
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XP was no different when it came out.
I have XP and 99% of my programs have this tab available....
I have Vista and all of my programs have very same tab available... Feels like you didn't even bothered to use it. I've never yet to fail a program that I use before and that does not run under Windows Vista 64-bit.
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| Classicmotorcycling |
Posted - 16 August 2008 : 18:19:48
Don't get me wrong, we can use Vista with our licensing model, but choose not to. Being the Australian IT Operations Manager (now) for a rather large international corporation, we decided not to use Vista due to the sheer hardware requirement that would be needed to run it. This is an overhead that most corporations would see as a driving factor to not use Vista. There is also the "why change to another operating system, at a major cost of hardware and resources when XP is doing the job that we need"?
If there is extra security features in Vista, they are not normally required in a corporations as most users will not have rights to in applications on their XP system and the anti-virus, firewall and proxy servers will do the rest. This is another reason that corporations do not need Vista and the sales of Vista are down.
There is my 5 cents worth from a bean counter and an implementer...
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| bobby131313 |
Posted - 16 August 2008 : 18:18:58
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XP was no different when it came out.
I have XP and 99% of my programs have this tab available....
I will just say this about Microsoft, they are very good at getting away with beta testing their new stuff on paying customers. If a car company tried to pull that crap they'd fold faster than Superman on laundry day.< |
| ruirib |
Posted - 16 August 2008 : 18:08:55
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Originally posted by AnonJr
I think you misunderstand. I don't object to power users, its just that most of the people that I've found that have little or no trouble with Vista are power users - the very people who have the patience and understanding to work around/through the various issues and who are more likely to have the kind of hardware that Vista can make use of. Power users are the people I tend to debate the subject with, and often seem to be blissfully unaware just how big the gap is between power users and the general computing public.
I don't think I did, I just wanted to point that, as non power users are concerned, don't really know any OS that deals with them any better, at least OSes that don't run on proprietary hardware (not that I know OS X - last time I used an Apple was about 18 years ago).
Personally, I don't like Vista that much. Some experiences with my wife's laptop haven't been very stimulating. Also, for my own personal use, I still use too many gadgets without drivers for Vista, so I'll happily stick with XP.< |
| SiSL |
Posted - 16 August 2008 : 17:57:11
AnonJr: Anything you have given as examples are not fault of Vista's... Anything that has been made for old technology unless they update their capabilities to work with new ones are SUBJECT to die. This is not different than saying "Why does my program at 3.5" FDD can not be installed anymore" or "Why does my Warcraft 1 does not work at Windows XP" , Why does my Amiga joystick does not run at PC etc. As for printer example, it is printer vendor's fault not to make drivers for Vista. XP was no different when it came out.
There can be found many many excuses to throw **** on a new software.< |
| AnonJr |
Posted - 16 August 2008 : 17:06:24
I think you misunderstand. I don't object to power users, its just that most of the people that I've found that have little or no trouble with Vista are power users - the very people who have the patience and understanding to work around/through the various issues and who are more likely to have the kind of hardware that Vista can make use of. Power users are the people I tend to debate the subject with, and often seem to be blissfully unaware just how big the gap is between power users and the general computing public.
Also, please don't hear what I'm not saying - Vista isn't the horrid train wreck that most contend it is. However, the "Mojave Experiment" takes Vista a little too far out of the real world that people are forced to contend with it in. Vista has its problems, and in a lot of ways its one step forward and two steps back.
In a lot of ways it is the evidence of just how important it was for Windows to be one man's vision. You can't get a "Gates by committee" OS. Can you imagine if Apple suddenly went from Jobs to 8 layers of management with perpetual meetings? Oh, we already saw something similar when the board thought there wasn't a big difference between running a computer company and running a Cola business.  < |
| ruirib |
Posted - 16 August 2008 : 15:52:17
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Before you lambaste me with various personal stories, bear in mind that if you are here and a regular modding member of the Snitz community, then you are not the typical, average user. And that makes all the difference.
No lambasting here... but there are issues that are the hardware's makers responsability. The printer driver is one. For one reason or another, it may be assigned to MS nonetheless. I do think they were not able to properly know what people were really expecting from the OS. I know they run usability labs and such, but I wonder what comes out of that, since they really don't seem to use that a lot, or the people they choose are really not representative of the multitude of different skilled Windows users.
What I find really amusing is that you object to "power" users, but has the competition really done anything closer to MS on addressing non power users?< |
| phy1729 |
Posted - 16 August 2008 : 15:18:47
While Vista may be better than most think, that isn't important. It's like the stock market, if people think there's a depression, there's a depression regardless of what is actually happening. What will keep Microsoft on the desktop is people are unwilling to change and proprietary document formats will lose their full formatting without Microsoft.< |
