my "Portal Mod" was abandoned a very long time ago I'm afraid. It has not been available for download for quite some time.<

well, I've not seen davids portal, so can't comment, but most of the others are based on my old portal format anyway.

what's a mimi ?<

oh you mean memes which bit were you referring to as being a meme, being festive, the .net Snitz or Christmass itself (a pagan not christian festival by the way)<

it is in actual fact the celebration of the midwinter solstice which occurs around the 22nd of December, nobody actually knows when christ was born, once again it is an example of the early christians co-opting the pagan festivals as their own. It is also interesting to note that nearly all old churches in the UK have a Yew tree (pagan place of worship) in there grounds and which generally predates the church by a thousand years or so <

Blame me shaggy. I like to open cans of worms so to speak. Like I said I know he was not born in december and I know winter soltace is where it comes from. But still the meaning whereever it has come from was adopted and is now generally accepted as Christ B-day.
not saying you believe in him or debating the fact he existed more just that this is the general feeling of christmas at least as I know it here in the US.

But on a side note I do believe religion has been around since the beggining of existance. But this is just opinion not factual things to back this up just a feeling. So I think any of pagan or non pagan celebrations or practices have actually come about by different beliefs so to speak so personally I don't think either one predates each other I think they came around at the same time. But churches and religions that come up over time definanlty adopt practices and beliefs from those who have gone on before them.
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