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muzishun
Senior Member

United States
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Posted - 23 April 2006 :  18:30:48  Show Profile  Visit muzishun's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I've got about 80% of the conversion done for making Snitz into a 100% XHTML Strict and CSS valid forum. I'd love to get some feedback and testing from the people in this community.

If you're interested, you can either sign up here or download the (very early) release below. If you download the file, bear in mind that there will be a *lot* of changes in the next couple of weeks, since many of the admin files still need quite a bit of work.

Everything done to date has been tested in Firefox and (some) Internet Explorer. The goal is to get the forum 100% in Firefox then go back and fix for IE to avoid buggy code.

Bug reports can be made here or, preferably, at the link above. I'll try to keep things posted here with updates, but for awhile they'll be coming fast enough that I won't be posting everything.

Thanks in advance for any help!

File: EternalSecondSnitz-Beta-0.5.zip<

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Edited by - muzishun on 29 April 2006 12:01:10

MarkJH
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United Kingdom
1722 Posts

Posted - 23 April 2006 :  18:38:12  Show Profile  Visit MarkJH's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I know that you're designing in Firefox foremostly but did you know that the back and forward buttons don't work in IE7?<

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muzishun
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United States
1079 Posts

Posted - 23 April 2006 :  19:14:46  Show Profile  Visit muzishun's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I actually don't have an install of IE7 yet. I'm building a new-ish computer for testing stuff, and I plan to install it on there. Do you know what the timeline on a final release of IE7 is? I plan to have it supported once it's out, but in the meantime I am aiming more at IE6. I had assumed that 7 was pushed back along with Vista, but not sure on that.<

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MarkJH
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 April 2006 :  19:47:47  Show Profile  Visit MarkJH's Homepage  Reply with Quote
No idea on a final release date. How long's a piece of string?

I posted the above presuming that the back and forward buttons didn't work on IE6, either.<

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muzishun
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United States
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Posted - 23 April 2006 :  19:52:23  Show Profile  Visit muzishun's Homepage  Reply with Quote
You got me worrying, Mark. I tested in IE6, and the buttons do indeed work. I test so much in Firefox, it's almost a fault. I forget that IE6 has some buggy renderings and interpretations of stuff.

*makes mental note to test in IE a little more often*<

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Personal Website (www.chimericdream.com)

Edited by - muzishun on 23 April 2006 19:52:36
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MarkJH
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United Kingdom
1722 Posts

Posted - 23 April 2006 :  20:08:36  Show Profile  Visit MarkJH's Homepage  Reply with Quote
That's bizarre. IE7 is still in beta and shouldn't be seen as solid but it's strange that the buttons don't work.<

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Ranko
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400 Posts

Posted - 24 April 2006 :  02:55:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You should be more worried about testing in IE 5.5 than IE 6 or 7.<
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AnonJr
Moderator

United States
5768 Posts

Posted - 24 April 2006 :  08:31:57  Show Profile  Visit AnonJr's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Didn't get a chance to test extensively, but I kept getting a JavaScript error... something about an object not supporting that property. I'd be more specific, but the error wasn't more specific.

Since it occurred on every page I visited, I'd suspect that it was something put in inc_header.asp (or another file that's included on every page).

I'll try to test it more when I get home tonight.<
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muzishun
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United States
1079 Posts

Posted - 24 April 2006 :  17:53:30  Show Profile  Visit muzishun's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yeah. The javascript stuff is really freaking out in IE. I'm starting to trace a few of the errors, but unfortunately my JS knowledge is a bit limited. I know it has to do with the getElementByID() function, but I just can't wrap my head around what is wrong with it. Still need to do some testing to figure it out.

Thanks for the checks, guys. I've been spending a LOT of time on this, and hope to eventually release it as a premodded package (so that people don't have to worry about trying to adapt the MODs and take them out of tables), so all of the feedback and help is greatly appreciated.<

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muzishun
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United States
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Posted - 29 April 2006 :  00:36:35  Show Profile  Visit muzishun's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Fixed several of the javascript errors. It took me what seems like forever to track them down. First thing tomorrow I plan to go through inc_code.js and (hopefully) get it completely up to snuff. We'll see how that goes. For now, the main post has been updated with a new zip file, release "0.4.5". Mostly just the javascript fixes. More layout stuff to come in the near futures.<

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MarcelG
Retired Support Moderator

Netherlands
2625 Posts

Posted - 29 April 2006 :  04:59:42  Show Profile  Visit MarcelG's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Looking forward to seeing the final result! Will it be 100% CSS based?<

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MarkJH
Senior Member

United Kingdom
1722 Posts

Posted - 29 April 2006 :  07:08:25  Show Profile  Visit MarkJH's Homepage  Reply with Quote
As presumed, the back button is a bug within IE7.

Good luck with the JavaScript, Bill!<

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muzishun
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United States
1079 Posts

Posted - 29 April 2006 :  11:02:19  Show Profile  Visit muzishun's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MarcelG

Looking forward to seeing the final result! Will it be 100% CSS based?


Yes, indeed it will. My goal is for there to be no tables in the entire forum. Right now, the CSS part of it is extremely complex, but over time, I'm hoping that I can simplify a lot of it down and bring file sizes down even farther while broadening browser compatibility.

Thanks for the good luck, Mark. I'll need it. My javascript skills are sketchy, but I'm getting better every time I use it.<

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muzishun
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United States
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Posted - 29 April 2006 :  12:02:27  Show Profile  Visit muzishun's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Updated the file above. All the javascript should be working now. *fingers crossed*<

Bill Parrott
Senior Web Programmer, University of Kansas
Co-Owner and Code Monkey, Eternal Second Designs (www.eternalsecond.com)
Personal Website (www.chimericdream.com)

Edited by - muzishun on 29 April 2006 12:11:25
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MarkJH
Senior Member

United Kingdom
1722 Posts

Posted - 01 May 2006 :  07:48:52  Show Profile  Visit MarkJH's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Just as a matter of interest, the latest beta of IE7 has been fixed and the back/forward buttons work fine now. <

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muzishun
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United States
1079 Posts

Posted - 01 May 2006 :  14:18:56  Show Profile  Visit muzishun's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Definitely a good thing to know. I haven't downloaded IE7 yet, and don't plan to until I absolutely *have* to. Since I've started trying to go the "valid and standard" direction with coding, I've noticed how horrendous IE's rendering engine is. Ugh. So much work.

Anyways, glad to know the buttons are fixed. I'm hoping to get some work done on layout this week. There's not a whole lot left to do until I start adding MODs into the mix. But those will be done one at a time, so should go a bit quicker.<

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