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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 11 June 2007 : 21:30:48
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1) you are not supposed to put the smtp server into inc_mail, that is what the admin email config is for, this is where Snitz gets the smtp server. (it is designed that way it is not a bug)
2) you have not explained why you had to do this, if it was to enable authentication using CDOSYS then this is also by design and not a bug
you haven't given us any 'facts/bugs' just half hearted statements of what you did, not why or exact specifics or even anything that would equate to a 'bug' |
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ruirib
Snitz Forums Admin
Portugal
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Posted - 11 June 2007 : 21:52:20
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With such "huge" bugs, I'm surprised how you put up with such a bad code...
Also, let me point out that you need to make a call... you can't blame us for, simultaneously, according to you, not allowing something into inc_mail.asp and to force you to put something there. So you want to put something there, but you protest because you need to put something there? Haha, you need to make the call, we can only accept blame for one of them  .
You can do everything you want with Snitz, as long as you know what to do. That's why so many thousands of people use it. You should not confound your inability to change the code with a bug. The answer to your questions is simple: who's fault? YOURS. If I needed to add that to inc_mail.asp, I'd surely be able to do it...
One final advice: don't lose your time with such buggy code, get a better one. It's just easier. |
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fixup
Starting Member
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Posted - 12 June 2007 : 00:24:37
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Why you guys are so...
I had searched the forum to solve my problem and saw many posts like this:
Flds("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/configuration/smtpserver") = strMailServer = "mail.mydomain.com"
That's why I put the SMTP address into the inc_mail.asp. Now you telling me that I can only put that into the configuration box. Where were you when when you saw above line posted?
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fixup
Starting Member
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Podge
Support Moderator
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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
20595 Posts |
Posted - 12 June 2007 : 03:35:44
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Flds("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/configuration/smtpserver") = strMailServer = "mail.mydomain.com"
That's why I put the SMTP address into the inc_mail.asp. Now you telling me that I can only put that into the configuration box. Where were you when when you saw above line posted?
No we are not saying that, what I said was, that you don't need to put the mailserver anywhere other than the admin configuration.
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Again, I was right in my OP that something was missing in Snitz, it turned out to be the ReplyTo header. When you use a remote smtp server, you have to use this header for strSender. It took me at least two days to find out this. Hopefully this will help other Snitz users.
Sorry but again you were wrong in your OP, this forum and all the forums that I host use a remote mail server, none of them require the 'replyto header' to be set, so it is a unique problem with your configuration not a problem or a bug in Snitz. |
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fixup
Starting Member
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Posted - 12 June 2007 : 05:02:40
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I knew the unique treats about gmail, such as ssl etc. If I put "Forum Admin <...>" into the configuration box, it'll be used only for registration cases. For a member to mail to others, I have to put that in inc_mail and meanwhile add replyto header.
In my case, gmail and all others I tried force me to use a verified sender address, cannot be a member's address, otherwise it won't replay. Don't know why your remote servers do not require that. |
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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
20595 Posts |
Posted - 12 June 2007 : 05:36:28
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that is because my remote mail server and my web servers are set up correctly.
adding the replyto is a specific fix for your situation (inabality to relay) it is not caused by a bug in the Snitz code, and is a well documented fix posted in several previous posts. It DOES NOT constitute a BUG in the Snitz code if your web providor does not have correctly configured email facilities for their clients. |
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fixup
Starting Member
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Posted - 12 June 2007 : 10:32:52
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It is not that I did not set my SMTP server correctly, or Gmail did not. It is that more and more SMTP servers require a verified sender address. By default, Snitz uses a member's address as sender address.
Snitz should reflect this in inc_mail.asp and use the replyto header. Or even better, let admin to input all the fields, including username, password, auth method, port, timeout, etc., in the configuration box.
I have no intention to argue about bug or not. I just point out what I found and what I thought. It is subject to the programs whether to take my input or not. |
Edited by - fixup on 12 June 2007 11:23:27 |
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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
20595 Posts |
Posted - 12 June 2007 : 11:29:06
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It is that more and more SMTP servers require the same sender and username
rubbish. This is not a requirement of RFC standards and is infact a perfectly valid option under RFC .If mail servers are doing this then they are NOT in compliance with rfc standards which govern email servers .
You can input username/password directly into inc_mail.asp and this is documented in the forums and commented in the inc_mail file, it is not incuded as a standard admin function because of all the mail components supported by Snitz only one allows authentication out of the bag.
Also, in general a good web host will have email facilities set up so that they do not require you to use Gmails smtp server in order to send emails. |
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fixup
Starting Member
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Posted - 12 June 2007 : 13:35:21
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It's life, admit it.
I don't know if blacklists are allowed by RFC, but all mail servers use them. As long as blacklists exist, a web host server will be on the list now and then. This is exactly what happened to my forum. Email has been a hit and miss for years with my forum. Using a remote smtp server like gmail is the right way.
Many forum admins and members simply have not realized this problem. The email never got returned, they simply disappear. And sometime it works, sometime not. It is until recently I started to use gmail and found the messages from my forum are in the spam folder, I realized this huge problem. Before with Yahoo, the messages simply disappeared, so I never know.
If anyone wants a reliable forum, please use a reliable remote smtp server like gmail.
If Snitz wants to be a reliable forum software package, please use a remote server with auth as default. |
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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
20595 Posts |
Posted - 12 June 2007 : 14:53:27
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Snitz is not responsible for blacklists it is entirely out of our control.
Gmail is not considered to be a reliable remote smtp server at all, get real, it is considered in the same breath as AOL and YAHOO, ie the home of most spam generated on the planet.
You keep contradicting your own arguments as well, if gmail is recieving your forum email then what it does with it is upto gmail not Snitz.
as I said Most RELIABLE hosting packages would not require you to use a remote server at all.
Your partticular problem has been addressed in the forums and fixes posted for the components that support it, end of discussion. |
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