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i011877
Junior Member

Denmark
169 Posts

Posted - 02 September 2006 :  15:44:19  Show Profile  Visit i011877's Homepage
Just discovered a strange thing.

I am running a SHN-modded forum, and therefore have the topic-loading problem where the entire page is loading before showing (if that made any sense?)

Discovered that when the topic is locked or archived, the issue does not occour!?!
It loads the tables, text and graphics in the end, as supposed to!

The topic is showing exactly as it should.

Normal topic: http://www.myforum.dk/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2661 WRONG
Locked topic: http://www.myforum.dk/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2083 RIGHT

Notice the loading order.

Comments? (Explanation/solution )


HuwR
Forum Admin

United Kingdom
20584 Posts

Posted - 02 September 2006 :  16:16:26  Show Profile  Visit HuwR's Homepage
solution: get a faster internet connection, don't see any problem with it from here
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i011877
Junior Member

Denmark
169 Posts

Posted - 02 September 2006 :  16:24:34  Show Profile  Visit i011877's Homepage
Good one!
Try and refresh each of the topics posted.

4096/512 btw


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HuwR
Forum Admin

United Kingdom
20584 Posts

Posted - 02 September 2006 :  16:33:25  Show Profile  Visit HuwR's Homepage
well, perhaps you can try explaining what I'm looking for, since it looks fine to me, both topics load pretty much the same and with the same process time of 0.2 sec
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i011877
Junior Member

Denmark
169 Posts

Posted - 02 September 2006 :  16:48:47  Show Profile  Visit i011877's Homepage
The order of the includes on the page.

The 'WRONG' is loading the entire page before showing it to you. (Graphics first is my guess, the waits to load the tables)
The 'RIGHT' is loading in the correct order (tables, text and graphics)

The page is generated in the same time, but not shown before the page is fully generated/loaded.
Am I making any sense here...?


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HuwR
Forum Admin

United Kingdom
20584 Posts

Posted - 02 September 2006 :  17:38:36  Show Profile  Visit HuwR's Homepage
nope sorry, there is no discernable difference in how the page loads for me, .2 secs is too quick for my fuddled brain to notics any difference, plus there is no right or wrong way for the page to load anyway
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i011877
Junior Member

Denmark
169 Posts

Posted - 03 September 2006 :  02:47:41  Show Profile  Visit i011877's Homepage
hahaha okay!
I am using IE, so that might be the issue

Its like the page is loading all graphics before showing you the page at all.
Could be that IE is looking in the local cache for stored images, and that actually takes longer time to search locally than downloading the images.
But, locked and archived topics loads different than normal topics. Fact!


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HuwR
Forum Admin

United Kingdom
20584 Posts

Posted - 03 September 2006 :  03:08:14  Show Profile  Visit HuwR's Homepage
I am also using IE.
quote:
But, locked and archived topics loads different than normal topics. Fact!

Have you actually checked by using a HTTP sniffer instead of your eyes to watch exactly how it is being loaded before making such a brash statement ?

The only difference between the two loads is that the "WRONG" one is loading more graphics than the "RIGHT" one, in fact it is loading 50% more images so is bound to take a different length of time, I would suggest you get a life and don't worry about trivial matters, if it is a problem then reduce the number of fancy graphics in your web pages.
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i011877
Junior Member

Denmark
169 Posts

Posted - 03 September 2006 :  06:52:50  Show Profile  Visit i011877's Homepage
quote:
I would suggest you get a life and don't worry about trivial matters

A bit grumpy are we?
The amount of graphics is not the issue here.
No need to be defensive, when you are not being attacked.
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I can make 2 similar topics with the same amount of graphics and text, and lock one of them.
The locked one will load correctly, the other one won't.
Or I can lock a topic, and it loads correct. When unlocking the topic the problem reoccour.
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If you don't know the answer or don't understand the problem just say so.


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HuwR
Forum Admin

United Kingdom
20584 Posts

Posted - 03 September 2006 :  07:32:20  Show Profile  Visit HuwR's Homepage
quote:
I can make 2 similar topics with the same amount of graphics and text, and lock one of them.
well do that then, and then we can take a look. I am not being grumpy or defensive, but pushing something that is totally pointless is a bit dumb. If you really think there is a problem/difference then use examples that count rather than two completely different sized pages.
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i011877
Junior Member

Denmark
169 Posts

Posted - 04 September 2006 :  04:08:10  Show Profile  Visit i011877's Homepage
Point taken. Here we go:

http://www.myforum.dk/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2674 Locked and loads OK!
http://www.myforum.dk/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2675 Open and loads in a different order. (Loads entire page before showing it)

Try and press F5 on each of the topics to see the page build up.



Edited by - i011877 on 04 September 2006 04:08:49
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HuwR
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United Kingdom
20584 Posts

Posted - 04 September 2006 :  04:41:09  Show Profile  Visit HuwR's Homepage
I honestly still can not see any difference between the two, in the brief .1 secs you get to see the load they appear to be loading in exactly the same order to me, maybe you need to be logged in.
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i011877
Junior Member

Denmark
169 Posts

Posted - 04 September 2006 :  04:49:49  Show Profile  Visit i011877's Homepage
Interesting.
You are right..hmm.. the issue with the loading only occour when you are logged in.
Try logged in as testuser/testuser, and you will notice the difference in the loading of the page.

I was not aware that the loading only appeared when logged in, so I understand your frustration


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HuwR
Forum Admin

United Kingdom
20584 Posts

Posted - 04 September 2006 :  06:10:30  Show Profile  Visit HuwR's Homepage
oh well, still makes no difference for me sorry, they still both load the same
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i011877
Junior Member

Denmark
169 Posts

Posted - 04 September 2006 :  06:40:51  Show Profile  Visit i011877's Homepage
What the f...!

Thanks HuwR for giving this a shot
That is sooo weird.
Tried it at home, and again here at work. The loading issue i still there.

Strange that you don't have the problem!
I was certain that you could see what I meant once logged in.

If I refresh the page with F5 (logged in), the locked topic loads the graphics last, the un-locked topic loads the entire page in the background before showing it to me.
Not logged in, both pages load correctly.

Can anyone confirm this?

Strange, strange, strange!


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HuwR
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United Kingdom
20584 Posts

Posted - 04 September 2006 :  11:07:37  Show Profile  Visit HuwR's Homepage
for me, both topics load the page as I would expect, it does not load in the background before showing it.
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