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Panhandler
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USA
783 Posts

Posted - 25 June 2005 :  10:38:29  Show Profile  Visit Panhandler's Homepage
When composing a message and attempting to use bold, italic or other formatting - Internet Explorer works fine.

When I use FireFox, the formating code appears at the bottom of the message window instead of around the highlighted word.
So of course, nothing gets highlighted.

The {b]{/b] appear at the message composition window (and don't show in the post of course).

Also, another symtom is this:

Notice the dots underlining the links?

I'm at a loss - don't know where to start looking.
PM me if you use FireFox and want a test account to see it.



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Ranko
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400 Posts

Posted - 25 June 2005 :  13:46:18  Show Profile
Latest forum version should have fixed the formating issue; do a search for (IIRC) "forum code firefox".

The dotted underline is Firefox correctly reading that said links are acronyms, and it is displaying them 'cause they like W3C standards. To remove them open your inc_header.asp file, and look for <acronym . It will have a title inside; cut the title="and whatever is here" delete the acronym tag, paste the title into the a tag of said link.

Same underline is in the inc_footer.asp both the text and image link ot Snitz Forum page.

Edited by - Ranko on 25 June 2005 13:47:51
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Gremlin
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New Zealand
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Posted - 25 June 2005 :  20:54:59  Show Profile  Visit Gremlin's Homepage
Welcome to the world of web design and browser incompatabilities !

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MarcelG
Retired Support Moderator

Netherlands
2625 Posts

Posted - 26 June 2005 :  05:01:51  Show Profile  Visit MarcelG's Homepage
Well, in fact the use of acronym in the header of snitz is total nonsense, as the acronym should be used for ... acronyms, abbreviations which are pronouncable as one world, such as NATO, NASA, laser, wysiwyg etc.
Not for words such as USA (which is pronounced 'you' 'es' of 'a'), or FAQ (which is pronounced most of the time as 'ef' 'a' 'queue'). For those words the <ABBR> tag should be used.
And certainly not for words that are not acronyms.....

In our case, we're abusing ACRONYMS to create a mouseover text...which works in IE. However, in FireFox, where the implementation of acronyms is different, an acronym is shown with a 'dotted' line below it.
So, I'd say that we simply need to loose the acronyms in 3.4.06.

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Ranko
Junior Member

400 Posts

Posted - 26 June 2005 :  07:54:32  Show Profile
We are not abusing acronyims (this is sounding like my own Snitz Crusade ), but misusing them; as I explained move the title from acronym tag to a tag of the same link - same effect, W3C friendly.
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hellind
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Singapore
123 Posts

Posted - 26 June 2005 :  14:31:53  Show Profile
Or, use CSS to remove the underline

abbr, acronym {
border-bottom: 0px dashed #ccc;
}
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philwhite
Starting Member

Germany
47 Posts

Posted - 27 June 2005 :  04:13:32  Show Profile
We are also experiencing some strange behaviour with Firefox:

1) Whatever I try, Firefox is caching pages, which means that the most recent threads aren't shown unless I refresh. This even happens in the "Active Topics". It only seems to have started happening since I installed the Googlebar (which I have since removed) - but I may be mistaken. This leads to quite bizarre behaviour such as: a) search for a phrase and find a hit in a topic you've read recently b) go to the topic by navigating to it normally (not from the search results) and the phrase is nowhere to be seen, because clearly a cached page is being used.

2) After a passage in quoted text, the font doesn't always return to normal size. I can't see any pattern to when it does and when it doesn't. Looks fine in IE6.

The phneomena are being discussed at http://www.wordwizard.com/ch_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=18068. Has anyone experienced anything like these two?

Ed: Okay, I see that the second problem has been discussed in various places (but not solved). Any suggestions?

Phil White

Edited by - philwhite on 27 June 2005 04:25:30
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Shaggy
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Ireland
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Posted - 27 June 2005 :  08:06:27  Show Profile
Phil, for your first problem, check with your host and your ISP to make sure the pages aren't being cached at their end.


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Ranko
Junior Member

400 Posts

Posted - 27 June 2005 :  13:56:43  Show Profile
For the second problem use CSS to set a quote style; then clear it (#quote {style here} + #quote #quote {clear: all})
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Shaggy
Support Moderator

Ireland
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Posted - 28 June 2005 :  06:16:56  Show Profile
Ranko, the clear property does not remove the css properties of the element you assign it to, it is used to move the element below any floating elements you may have on your page.

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Ranko
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Posted - 28 June 2005 :  19:53:42  Show Profile
I wasn't thinking. This works:
#quote {background: #fff; font-size: .75em; padding: 3px; border: 1px solid black}
#quote #quote {font-size: inherit}
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RichardKinser
Snitz Forums Admin

USA
16655 Posts

Posted - 28 June 2005 :  20:15:43  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by marcelgoertz

In our case, we're abusing ACRONYMS to create a mouseover text...which works in IE. However, in FireFox, where the implementation of acronyms is different, an acronym is shown with a 'dotted' line below it.
So, I'd say that we simply need to loose the acronyms in 3.4.06.


It was used so that we could get the mouseover text to work in older versions of Netscape. It's not really causing any problems, and anyone who wants to remove it can do so.
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philwhite
Starting Member

Germany
47 Posts

Posted - 09 July 2005 :  14:35:12  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by Shaggy

Phil, for your first problem, check with your host and your ISP to make sure the pages aren't being cached at their end.




Sorry I'm late getting back on this one. I suppose it's possible that the ISP has started caching pages without telling us. I'll get the site admin onto it.

I've just set Firefox not to cache anything at all and the problem's solved on my machine. Other users have also reported some odd behaviour such as the following, which also sounds like cached pages to me:

quote:
When I bring up the main page, I am logged out (my first clue is that there is a prompt for me to “Log In”). When I open a link to a thread, I always open it in another window. And there, at the top of the second page, it says, “You are logged in as...” and there is also a prompt to “Log out.” Except I can’t. Log out, I mean. I can hit that Logout button as many times as my patience will hold out, and it still tells me, “You are logged in as...” When I close the second window, I am back on the main page and logged out.


Ranko,
Presumably that needs adding on all pages that display topic content?

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philwhite
Starting Member

Germany
47 Posts

Posted - 12 July 2005 :  13:34:29  Show Profile
Okay, in my case it seems that my new provider is caching pages (had to switch from DSL to satellite when I moved). The local caching actually made no difference. It seems that the pages dropped out of the proxy's cache at around the same time that I cleared my local cache. I've been having problems recently again even with an empty local cache. If I call up our forum on the same machine over an ISDN router, it's no problem (but oh so slow!).

Thanks for the help.

Phil White
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