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Dave.
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 Posted - 02 November 2003 : 15:07:51
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I've installed Red Hat linux 9 and am starting to like it =). I am thinking of getting rid of WinXP, but I need to run some Windows Applications and games on Linux, are there any free emularors out there that will work?
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laser
Advanced Member
Australia
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Posted - 02 November 2003 : 15:12:14
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| You will have mixed success with Wine, and there's a few other WinXX emulators. Some programs work, some don't. ASP is not a Linux thing though, it is possible but costs a fair bit to get Sun One, and then you don't want to use the latest version. |
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Gremlin
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Davio
Development Team Member
Jamaica
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Posted - 03 November 2003 : 06:24:31
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| I hear wine is good. They have a list of programs on their site that they emulate and how sucessful it can be emulated. From simple IM programs to programs like Macromedia Dreamweaver MX can be run on linux using Wine, with no problems. |
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redbrad0
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USA
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homeacademy
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - 03 November 2003 : 13:11:41
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Linux, bah 
I have used Lycoris (a linux shell meant to kinda work like windows), along with the Win4Lin emulator (not free, BTW) and it worked alright, but I hated it. Could never do just what I wanted. To each his own, but IMHO, I really would think twice about getting rid of WinXP... |
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ruirib
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Dave.
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 03 November 2003 : 15:31:13
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Originally posted by ruirib
Why using an emulator when you can use the original stuff?! 
www.Microsuck.com - http://www.microsuck.com/content/whatsbad.shtml
I didn't want this to turn into a MS vs. Other OS's battle but...
I read that article a few nights ago...some of that is scary stuff, did you know that EVERY URL and EVERY E-Mail on your computer is being logged by Windows? The thought of everything being logged doesn't scare me, but why the hell is it so hidden? - so well that you need to be in DOS to access it - and even then, they are still hidden!
Windows...I know some say it's unstable, but I really don't think so, unless I've had it running for a week without rebooting and my CPU usage is at 100%, it's pretty stable. I re-install all the time, pointless somewhat, but I have to to make games work, or get some hardware to run properly, etc. I'm tired of calling MS to get the thing Activated EVERY time! They *Think* it cuts down on piracy, Yeah right, I know there are hundreds of Activation cracks (No I'm legit, I have 3 legal Serial Numbers). (Another reason why I liked Win2000, no BS) Did you know MS wants to eventually have you store all your files on Their servers!
Ever taken a look at your EULA? (End User License Agreement) (c:\Windows\system32\Eula.txt)
Section of the Microsoft Windows XP Professional EULA:
* Reservation of Rights. Manufacturer, Microsoft Licensing,
Inc. ("MS") and its suppliers (including Microsoft
Corporation) reserve all rights not expressly granted
to you in this EULA.
That means Microsoft could FORCE you to put your files on their servers (Or whatever the heck they want to do). MS has 95% (I think) of the market. Personally I would rather work for years on my own OS then store my files anywhere but my local disk)
Linux...Nothing for Windows is compatible, I don't know if I can deal with that. The GUI is different, but it's better once you get used to it. It's built on Unix, and Unix is way more secure than Windows, there isn't a new Hot fix every week. (Yes I realize that because 95% use Windows that it will have more bugs, but MS software is known to be very Buggy.
I guess I could use some opinioons...
I don't need ASP, my server will remain to run Windows.
I use Visual Studio.NET (No way that'll work on Linux, it needs the .NET framework. and VB6.
I play BF1942 and UT2003...I'd like to remain using them.
Red Hat has lots of built in software (OpenOffice.org etc.) so that above would be all I need.
Microsoft is going down, It's going to slip if Longhorn (I have on CD (Build 4015 M5) fails. I can already see that it's a New shell with some stupid "features" like WinFS - just a waste of space.
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laser
Advanced Member
Australia
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Posted - 03 November 2003 : 16:18:47
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Windows...I know some say it's unstable, but I really don't think so, unless I've had it running for a week without rebooting and my CPU usage is at 100%, it's pretty stable. I re-install all the time, pointless somewhat, but I have to to make games work, or get some hardware to run properly, etc.
Aren't you shooting yourself in the foot here ? *nix can run for weeks, months, years without reboots because it cleans up programs better, etc...
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Linux...Nothing for Windows is compatible,
But the same can be said for every OS, I can't chuck my M$ software on a Mac, or anything else for that matter. Almost all programs say "for <insert OS name here>"
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GUI is different, but it's better once you get used to it.
It depends on what side of the fence you want to sit. But on Linux you have a CHOICE as to the way the GUI looks. XP only allows a certain number of GUI tweaks.
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It's built on Unix, and Unix is way more secure than Windows, there isn't a new Hot fix every week. (Yes I realize that because 95% use Windows that it will have more bugs, but MS software is known to be very Buggy.
Linux is not actually built on Unix, but it is very similar (someone correct me if I'm wrong here). Linux DOES have bugs & fixes as well, but it's more up to you to change the kernel if you want to.
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MS has 95% (I think) of the market.
OUCH!!! .. that should read 95% of the HOME COMPUTER market. Start working in the corporate world and ther is a VERY heavy presence of *nix operating systems, and WinXX is only a desktop choice, and some companies are even moving away from that these days.
After saying that, I use WinXX machine almost all the time, but depending on my contract work, all server-side stuff is *nix. You need to know both, and I do have a *nix desktop machine, but the best choice for a while would be a dual-boot machine so you can play with both. |
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ruirib
Snitz Forums Admin
Portugal
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Posted - 03 November 2003 : 16:23:09
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You're wrong about Unix being more secure than Windows. I do not have the link now, but I promise to search for it. Sometime ago I read an article on the number of security patches by OS and I bet you would never think that on the top of the list was... Red Hat.
I'm an engineer, so I base my judgement on advantages vs. disadvantages. I have a strong Unix background, I started programming back when there was nothing but Unix...well my ZX Spectrum came along a couple years later. Anyhow I'm much more productive on MS OSes than I ever was on Unix. I'm definitely not a zealot and I have a XP and Linux desktop near me. It's even funnier that with SuSe 7.2 the same hardware runs much slower than Win2K...
MS leads on OS development for the desktop. They are getting competitive on the server market as well. I'm a desktop user, mostly and for that I will keep on using MS. Saying MS will fail if Longhorn fails is an obvious thing, but I wouldn't be sore sure on its failure, not just yet, while it's still more than a year to be released. Granted, some of the things MS does are irritating, but I wouldn't dismiss Longhorn just because of a feature you dislike. The desktop OS market is much more active because of MS. You should have seen Linux's first versions and the lack of quality of the GUI. Personally I think having competition is a great thing and it can only make MS OSes better... and well as Linux. Personally I will stick with MS for the foreseable future, as long as I get what I need: productivity in the work I do. And in that MS beats the hell outta Linux, IMVHO. |
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Doug G
Support Moderator
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Posted - 03 November 2003 : 16:25:38
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave.
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Originally posted by ruirib
Why using an emulator when you can use the original stuff?!
www.Microsuck.com - http://www.microsuck.com/content/whatsbad.shtml
I didn't want this to turn into a MS vs. Other OS's battle but...
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What do you guys think?
I think that article is full of the kind of crap that gives the linux community a bad name
$000000000000000000.02
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Doug G
Support Moderator
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Posted - 03 November 2003 : 16:34:31
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While on the subject of the aforementioned article, I almost bust a gut when I saw this anti-MS, pro-linux author use a link from Caldera to bolster his (or hers) argument.
Who is Caldera, you may ask? A company formed by Ray Noorda formerly of Novell, recently Caldera purchased another company (yep, guilty just like MS) and changed their company name from Caldera to ...
(drum roll please)
SCO!
What a joke
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Dave.
Senior Member
USA
1037 Posts |
Posted - 03 November 2003 : 19:34:53
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| Bah, I need to stop being so naive and stupid! |
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Roland
Advanced Member
Netherlands
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Posted - 04 November 2003 : 05:10:02
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Dave, you should check this page: http://www.suse.com/us/private/download/updates/82_i386.html
over 160 different patches/fixes for SuSe Linux 8.2 since March 24th. No offense, but I didn't have to download 160 patches/fixes when I installed XP and that's been around quite a bit longer than SuSe 8.2, but of course Microsoft puts different fixes in one patch/fix, but saying that there are more updates to be done using a Windows flavor than when you use a Linux flavor just doesn't work for me.
Oh, and saying that many of those patches/fixes won't have to be downloaded because you won't need all of them just doesn't cut it either. I have a basic install of SuSe 8.2 professional and had to download at least 60% of all those files. |
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ruirib
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