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HuwR
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 Posted - 10 July 2003 : 09:04:17
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Originally posted by GauravBhabu
Reading thru the posts by Laura, IMO she did not violate the copyright agreement. She removed the meta tags under test environment only to understand the cause of errors as pointed by her designer and asked for the alternate ways to stay in compliance while integrating the snitz with her clients site.
So she asked for advice.
So, you mean that as long as I don't make it public then it is ok to do remove the copyright !
like I said, it would have gone down better if the question was asked first rather than after the event. Since you are all obviously far more knowledgeable on the subject than myself, I will shut up and not bother about the copyright anymore. |
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Gremlin
General Help Moderator
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Posted - 10 July 2003 : 10:03:29
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So, you mean that as long as I don't make it public then it is ok to do remove the copyright !
It's obvious there was no intent to remove it permanently but rather to find out if it was the cause of a browser error (which was probably the multiple HEAD tags rather than the META), however not everyones got the knowledge or experience you do HuwR to be able to work that out without neccessarily resorting to making some trial and error changes to see what works and what doesn't.
Laura clearly has no intention of knowing violating any copyrights, she came to ask simply if she needed the META tag on every page of her website not just the forum pages, in fact if you re-read her original question I get the impression there was never any mention of removing the copyright from a Snitz Forum page, but simply the universal logon pages being used on other parts of her site. |
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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 July 2003 : 10:34:30
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It's obvious there was no intent to remove it permanently but rather to find out if it was the cause of a browser error (which was probably the multiple HEAD tags rather than the META), however not everyones got the knowledge or experience you do HuwR to be able to work that out without neccessarily resorting to making some trial and error changes to see what works and what doesn't.
If I got £1 for every person that has said, oh sorry, I removed it while I was building my site and just forgot to put it back, I would be a very rich man indeed. |
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Gremlin
General Help Moderator
New Zealand
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Posted - 10 July 2003 : 10:36:10
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| heh I'm sure you would Huw, If I had a $1 for every mistake I'd ever accidently made I'd probably be rich too :) |
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LKnomad
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Posted - 10 July 2003 : 15:34:46
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So now what is the final word on this. The pages that use the universal login script use forum code. I assume from discussion that since there is code on the page I still need the meta tags BUT it is ok to move the meta tag to another heading page.
It is correct that not only did I get the double meta tags but the real delimna was the double head tags which contained the meta tags. To remove the head tags I had to remove the meta tags...sending me here with my question....er meta tag needed on non forum pages?
And with that in mind we may want to gently remind others that use the great and wonderful universal login (which has made my life so much easier) that when dealing with a stripped inc_header.asp file that this may be a problem. I will guarentee I am not alone with this.
Gee look at how many more numbers are under my name now! I do beleive that at the time of the post I am up to 29 posts!
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LKnomad
New Member
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Posted - 10 July 2003 : 16:37:32
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like I said, it would have gone down better if the question was asked first rather than after the event.
I just wanted a chance to explain to HuwR why I did not ask the question first. I have used Snitz to learn every ounce of ASP that I know. Snitz was my first intro to ASP and now I am quite good at coding. I have spent hours just playing with the code trying to understand why something works and why something else does not. I have installed and reinstalled this software over and over as a learning experience.
I am the type of person who will exhast my own resources before asking for help. I do not believe that it is ok to ride on others' coat tales. I need to get as good as I can at coding and what better way to do that then by trying to resolve everything I can on my own. This is why I will test something exstensivly before asking someone to do that for me. When I come to this board to ask a question I really need to know the answers because you can bet I have already spent a lot of time working on it myself.
When encountering this problem it never occured to me to ask for help first. Why should I make someone else do work when I could learn something from testing things myself? Anyway Snitz has been such a great piece of software as well as such a great learning tool. I have gotten much from you guys who have worked so hard on it. I just want to make sure that I am in compliance as I feel that the credit is truly due to the makers of the program.
Anyhow enough said.
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Roland
Advanced Member
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Posted - 10 July 2003 : 17:30:28
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Originally posted by LKnomad
So now what is the final word on this. The pages that use the universal login script use forum code. I assume from discussion that since there is code on the page I still need the meta tags BUT it is ok to move the meta tag to another heading page.
Correct. I'm not sure, but I believe the link back to Snitz (from inc_footer.asp) should be included as well. It makes sense to have the link on the pages since the login is powered by Snitz  |
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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 July 2003 : 17:33:54
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Strictly speaking, I don't think we can force someone to use the powered by link in their own files, not yet anyway 
However use of Snitz code requires the copyrights |
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LKnomad
New Member
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Posted - 10 July 2003 : 17:37:59
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Thanks then,
Now I know what to do. The link back is not code that automatically appears on other pages outside the forum since I do not use the footer, just the header through out the site. I do not believe the footer has any kind of needed coding so it does not travel with the universal login.
Also now I can use this thread as the answer when my client asks me why I am including all the copyright info throughout the site.
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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
20593 Posts |
Posted - 10 July 2003 : 17:43:57
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Now I know what to do. The link back is not code that automatically appears on other pages outside the forum since I do not use the footer, just the header through out the site. I do not believe the footer has any kind of needed coding so it does not travel with the universal login.
Yes, that is correct.
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Also now I can use this thread as the answer when my client asks me why I am including all the copyright info throughout the site.
please do. |
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Panhandler
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Nikkol
Forum Moderator
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Posted - 11 July 2003 : 09:41:26
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| Huh? What you referenced says that the owner of the copyright has the right do to any of a number of things. It does not say "does NOT have the right". So how is the Snitz copyright in error? |
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Gremlin
General Help Moderator
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Posted - 11 July 2003 : 10:41:49
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| I think the emphasis was on the "public" bit Nikkol, the inference being if its not displayed in public then it doesn't constitute a violation .... kinda like the old philosophy conundrum "If a tree falls in a forest and there's no one there to hear it, does it make a sound?" |
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Nikkol
Forum Moderator
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Posted - 11 July 2003 : 10:45:02
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| but my point is that the section he referenced refers to the copyright owner and his/her rights, not the user of the copyrighted material. |
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Nikkol
Forum Moderator
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Posted - 11 July 2003 : 10:53:14
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| besides the question was whether the meta tag could be removed. that doesn't have anything to do with copyright (other than the meta tag contains the copyright info)... it does have to do with the license agreement. License agreement != copyright |
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