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HuwR
Forum Admin
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 Posted - 17 June 2003 : 18:58:13
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Doug G
Support Moderator
USA
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Posted - 17 June 2003 : 19:18:08
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Oh, I just can't stay out of this discussion :)
RedHat sells Linux to people that feel it's worth it to buy a box with a book & cd at the store rather than download the software, yet they are not selling ownership of any copyrights, in fact they are selling code that is licensed under the GPL and copyrighted to other people & businesses. Of course, this is the same GPL license Snitz uses.
There is nothing in the GPL that prohibits "selling" the code as long as the terms of the GPL license are not violated. Usually there are other value-added goodies thrown in by a vendor that charges for GPL code, because it's difficult to charge for something others give away without charge. Not charging for GPL code is more a business decision than any licensing prohibition.
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sacred
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - 17 June 2003 : 19:35:01
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Huwr,
Could you please tell me what people are allowed to do with the program in respects to charging a fee according to the gpl?
I feel this will clear up a lot of confusion..
Many thanks,
Sacred
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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
20595 Posts |
Posted - 17 June 2003 : 19:54:17
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RedHat sells Linux to people
It charges for distribution and its own enhancements, the Linux code is still free.
sacred, you can dream up as many schemes as you want for making money from it, but you can't charge for the code. |
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Nikkol
Forum Moderator
USA
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Posted - 17 June 2003 : 19:58:34
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First, I want to say to the poor guy that started this topic ... you probably might want to start a new topic if you have further questions as this one seems to have gone astray.
Now, on to this gpl stuff.
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Basically, the gpl.txt gives us the right to sell the enhance or original versions of the product. Product being snitz forums. In doing so part of selling that product is making sure it is open source.
From the GPL licence that you pasted, you are incorrect. It gives you the right to charge for distribution.
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So if I wanted to I can open up a shop and sell the original or enhance versions I have or made of the snitz forum product as long as I abide by the terms of the conditions of the GPL
Again, you cannot sell the product. You can charge for distribution.
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Much like Compusa sells copies of software, they are distibutors. I too can sell copies of snitz forum software original or enhanced by me, which includes a copy of the code.
Compusa is a licensed reseller of software. There is a big difference there. Compusa must first pay the software owner/company for the right to do that. Then Compusa marks up the cost of the software based on what they had to pay the software company so that they make a profit.
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And yes we can't sell the full rights to the code base itself as I stated in the previous post because it would break the patent and copyright stuff.
You cannot sell a license for the product.I'm not sure what you mean by full rights. Even when you buy a Microsoft product license, you do not have full rights. |
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Nikkol
Forum Moderator
USA
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Posted - 17 June 2003 : 20:16:18
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From http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html
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You may charge a fee for the physical act of transferring a copy, and you may at your option offer warranty protection in exchange for a fee.
And from http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html
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Strictly speaking, ``selling'' means trading goods for money. Selling a copy of a free program is legitimate, and we encourage it.
However, when people think of ``selling software'', they usually imagine doing it the way most companies do it: making the software proprietary rather than free.
So unless you're going to draw distinctions carefully, the way this article does, we suggest it is better to avoid using the term ``selling software'' and choose some other wording instead. For example, you could say ``distributing free software for a fee''--that is unambiguous.
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neonlys
Starting Member
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Posted - 18 June 2003 : 03:50:09
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Hi again,
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Note: If I say there is a mod available, look in the mod w/ code forum or go to www.snitzbitz.com to try and find it.
I went there,but they don't seem to have MOD's for the newest release. Can I use older MODs,or will that just crash the forum?
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*Administrative functions
Can you group all the links into different categories? Example: forum maintance, community settings, updating etc.
They are already grouped together by basic functionality. How else would you have us group them? Just curious...
I was just thinking of splitting them more up into logical parts. Say I want to change the apperance of the forum. Then I would find everything that had to do with this under the Forum apperance category.
One more thing:
I have noticed that most of the pages in this forum have different table withs. I prefer to have a forum that does not differ too much in the design. I would therefor like to set the table with to 800 Px wide. Do I then have to modify each file to get this or...??
And also: Is it possible to add onmouseover effects to the forum by just adding them to the css file and add them to the classes which I want to give that look? (I assume that this forum is using an external css file?)
Thanx!! 
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Gremlin
General Help Moderator
New Zealand
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Posted - 18 June 2003 : 05:20:25
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I have noticed that most of the pages in this forum have different table withs. I prefer to have a forum that does not differ too much in the design. I would therefor like to set the table with to 800 Px wide. Do I then have to modify each file to get this or...??
You won't have to edit every file to do this, most of that sort of customisation involves changing just two files, inc_header.asp and inc_footer.asp
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And also: Is it possible to add onmouseover effects to the forum by just adding them to the css file and add them to the classes which I want to give that look? (I assume that this forum is using an external css file?)
This version of the forum doesn't use CSS at all however a future version will. Search the forums here for CSS and you will find a few versions that people have converted themselves to use CSS and offered up for others to use. The most recent one has been done by D3mon and can be found here http://forum.snitz.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=45166
As others have mentioned the great thing about Snitz is you are completely free to modify everything yourself, take a look here to see some of the great things others have done with the software http://forum.snitz.com/halloffame.asp
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Davio
Development Team Member
Jamaica
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Posted - 18 June 2003 : 11:18:34
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Roland
Advanced Member
Netherlands
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Posted - 05 July 2003 : 19:08:35
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Originally posted by neonlys
*4 different forum types: Public, members, restricted and private.
Public: every one can post and reply to topics in this forums. You don’t need to be a registered user.
Members: You must be a registered member to be able to access these forums.
Restricted: Only certain member types are granted access to these forums. Admin chooses which member types that are allowed to enter.
Private: Nobody has access to these forums without through admin. Admin has to give access to users, either one by one, or many at the same time, before they can access these forums.
Already in the base code. Private forums need to be enabled in the admin section, then the forums need to be edited to set the access type. The restricted is the only one not in the system base but there is a mod being worked on for groups, which should get you what you need.
There's no option for guests to post any topics or replies though. I do believe there's a MOD for this.
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Originally posted by neonlys
Instead of using categories, DcForum uses Conferences. Each conference contains forums (unlimited of them), and in each forum you’ll find the topics.
You could choose how you want the forums to be displayed.
Try clicking on one of these links in the menu and you’ll get different forum styles:
“Choose classic view” or ”Expand conferences”
You get the idea? It’s very nice, isn’t it??
Sub-forums are not in the base code. I think someone wrote a mod to handle it, but I don't remember if it's been updated for 3.4 or not.
Maybe I'm missing something important, but ...
Conference contains Forums contains Topics = Category contains Forums contains Topics. I don't see the difference except that you name Categories Conferences. Also, assuming the database type you're using (and the server your forums are on) can handle it, you can also have unlimited categories and forums in Snitz. |
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