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Heynow
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 Posted - 02 March 2003 : 11:09:59
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- But do you ever hear the ghosts of 2 million already dead children whispering ?
And you are referring to the two thousand children he has already slaughtered?
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There will be new Addams and even worse, if americans keep considering bombs and starvation (US - led UN sanctions) as answers to all problems.
The newest leader should consider, if he becomes a threat to freedom and innocent, then he will be dealt with by the world.
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If you were afraid of terror you should be attacking the funders and inventors of this whole terrorcampaign, - where do you think the money comes from? Saddam? - no.....look further south and in the north-west. If you were afraid of weapons of mass destruction, you should be looking at N korea - who actually HAVE these weapons.
I couldn't agree with you more, but the fact is Saddam is a madman and a threat to us and his own people.
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No, Itīs oil - control of Iraq = control of oilmarkets = control of the saudiīs and kuwaitians who have control with the terrorists.
You really think it's all about oil? Why didn't we march north in the first war then and take control then?
BTW...I hope by all means, that war can be avoided, but twelve years is long enough. |
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seven
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Posted - 02 March 2003 : 11:15:15
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Forgive me for being so angry, but if forgiveness is the issue... what makes these terrorists exempt from forgiving?
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Morpheus73
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Posted - 02 March 2003 : 12:17:52
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Originally posted by Heynow777
[quote]- But do you ever hear the ghosts of 2 million already dead children whispering ?
And you are referring to the two thousand children he has already slaughtered?
No, I think of the 2 million (not thousand) children, that have died from starvation, easy curable diseases and general poor conditions due to the UN restrictions, which the US have insisted on would be upheld for 12 years - these sanctions made machines for hospitals, soap, penicillin and other ordinary things impossible for the Iraqis to obtain - Not Saddam, but his people.
For these 2 million deaths we in the west are responsible and no matter how cruel 9/11 was, it bleaches completely in comparison with the terror we, not Saddam, have inflected on the Iraqi population with our sanctions, that go back way before 9/11.
Resolving problems like that are the key to a peacefull world - there will always be madmen like Laden, Hitler and in my opinion Bush, but if people are well and thriving, they won't find much sympathy in the population - however if people are miserable, treated unfairly a.s.o. , history tells us, that these madmen can rise to almost undestructable movements and warmachines. |
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Heynow
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Posted - 02 March 2003 : 12:31:39
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For these 2 million deaths we in the west are responsible and no matter how cruel 9/11 was, it bleaches completely in comparison with the terror we, not Saddam, have inflected on the Iraqi population with our sanctions, that go back way before 9/11.
Isn't it because of him that these sanctions are in place? Saddam has caused more than two million deaths and will cause many more if he is not stopped.
This started when Saddam and HIS people invaded Kuwait, where they killed people in the streets for NO reason at all. That is a MADMAN! |
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Nathan
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Posted - 02 March 2003 : 17:01:22
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Originally posted by Heynow777
This man was on Arab television claiming he was the mastermind of 9/11....verdict GUILTY! And thank you for speaking for all Americans, though I don't know what you base your facts on.
I base my facts on the hundreds of Taliban members held in Cuba who didn't receive either humane treatment or a fair trail.
I base my facts on the Pakistani refugee camps in upstate New York.
I base my facts on the racism I see directed at my Arab friends on a daily basis.
I base my fact on your first statment in the above quote.
I rest my case.
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Doug G
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Posted - 02 March 2003 : 17:21:52
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I hope the US maintains the high principles that our country was founded on, but I worry. For the last couple years our media (I'd say news media but there doesn't seem to be any news any more, now there are two opinionated mouths in split screen instead of actual reporting), our media has been perfectly happy to convict people in the press even before there are any charges filed, much less before there is some kind of trial.
I find this trend depressing and scary. If we as a nation are willing to throw out due process and other fundamental rights then what kind of country will we become?
This guy was captured in Pakistan, and unless he is extradited I don't suppose he is subject to US law. Today I heard a US senator on CNN stating it's a good thing to keep him outside the US, implying that's so other countries can use torture because their laws are not so strict.
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RichardKinser
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Posted - 02 March 2003 : 17:39:43
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Originally posted by Morpheus73
- Thereīs no doubt itīs about oil. There are no valid arguments in anything else. If you were afraid of terror you should be attacking the funders and inventors of this whole terrorcampaign, - where do you think the money comes from? Saddam? - no.....look further south and in the north-west. If you were afraid of weapons of mass destruction, you should be looking at N korea - who actually HAVE these weapons.
No, Itīs oil - control of Iraq = control of oilmarkets = control of the saudiīs and kuwaitians who have control with the terrorists.
You should be pointing your guns elsewhere.
It has absolutely nothing to do with Oil. I really wish that people would quit saying this, it shows just how little you know about the situation at hand.
link posted by padawan in another topic: "No blood for Oil"
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Heynow
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Posted - 02 March 2003 : 18:00:16
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Originally posted by Nathan
I base my facts on the hundreds of Taliban members held in Cuba who didn't receive either humane treatment or a fair trail.
I base my facts on the Pakistani refugee camps in upstate New York.
I base my facts on the racism I see directed at my Arab friends on a daily basis.
I base my fact on your first statment in the above quote.
I rest my case.
Do you realize how much money and time it would take to place each one of these prisoners of war on trial?
The racism is done by ignorance and is unfortunate..If they get caught, they will be prosecuted. In the mean time it is encouraged in most Arab countries.
Haven't heard of any Pakistani camps... |
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Nathan
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Posted - 02 March 2003 : 18:39:43
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Do you realize how much money and time it would take to place each one of these prisoners of war on trial?
You know, a dictator ship would cost alot less money too, and laws/jutice would be quite a bit faster as well. Lets forget what we based our nation because "a dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there's no question about it" (President George W. Bush). |
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Heynow
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Posted - 02 March 2003 : 19:03:07
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You know, a dictator ship would cost alot less money too, and laws/jutice would be quite a bit faster as well. Lets forget what we based our nation because "a dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there's no question about it" (President George W. Bush).
You can't fight a war prosecuting every prisoner. |
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seven
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Posted - 02 March 2003 : 20:28:25
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President Bush responded to the Sept. 11 terror attack by saying America was at war. So why did Congress not declare war? The answer is that Congress has in effect replaced the war declaration process with a 1973 law called the War Powers Act, which it used on Sept. 14 to give Bush the authority to begin military operations.
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padawan
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Posted - 02 March 2003 : 20:39:21
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Congress didn't declair war.
The first and foremost duty of the U.S. President is to protect and defend the Constitution (the nation) of America (sorry for the reminder). The War Powers Act of 1973 gives him 45-90 days(?) to send our troops (as Commander-in-Chief) to war without asking Congress for a formal declaration. After which, he must report back to Congress and/or cease all hostilities before the end of the said time frame.
The way wars are fought (at least, the American way) now these days, 45-90 days are sufficient to engage the enemy troops on the ground and defeat them before WPA kicks into gear.
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Nathan
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Posted - 02 March 2003 : 21:06:57
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Thats not what I'm talking about. I'm saying that we never declaired war on Afghanistan.
You cannot have a war against and idea or a concept like 'terrorism,' that is not something you can 'war' with.
Also, the WPA only gives the presdent 30 days. An additional 60 is granted but only for "pulling out" |
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padawan
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Posted - 02 March 2003 : 21:20:57
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...You cannot have a war against and idea or a concept like 'terrorism,' that is not something you can 'war' with...
Makes sense... But who are we to question the Office of the President of the U.S. (I'm talking about the institution, not the man)? If the Office believes that a 'war' is necessary, by all means, it has all the powers it needs (as Congress has the power to declare it) to define what is and what is not a 'war' -- be it a legitimate ground conflict, or a logical/multi-bordered conflict.
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