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downdogWoof
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 Posted - 01 November 2002 : 04:58:37
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Hi,
where is the download for the International Version for Japanese..? Perhaps there isn't one. Sorry, just searched and this page,
http://forum.snitz.com/archive/default.asp?catid=16&cattitle=International
only has other languages. Also, does anyone know where I can get the Japanese Language Pack..? I searched i2Asia's site, but couldn't find any link to a download..thanx.< |
TIA,
downdogWoof...
Yeah, K, Who Stole The Soggy Biscuits...? |
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Romee
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downdogWoof
Junior Member
124 Posts |
Posted - 01 November 2002 : 07:45:23
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Hi,
I'd like to give more info on where I'm at right now...
I've already installed the forum (VER 3.4.03) on my site...I can type and read Japanese as I have set up the site to use SHIFT-JIS. I just want to install the Language Pack for the Forum help files etc as my users will be predominantly Japanese. What I mean is, I want the help files etc to be in Japanese....I'm not a developer and find the link you posted, hard to follow, sorry. TIA.
EDIT: I'd just like to add, that although it's great to have a free forum like this, man the site is really confusing to say the least...links going every which way....need to be a guru just to work through the links themselves...sorry, just really frustrating...< |
TIA,
downdogWoof...
Yeah, K, Who Stole The Soggy Biscuits...? |
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Romee
Junior Member
Netherlands
180 Posts |
Posted - 01 November 2002 : 10:53:58
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Hi,
The last international version of the snitz forum is v4b03. It is based on the snitzversion 3.3.5 Indeed this sounds confusing, but once there were good reasons for that.
At this moment a new version, based on snitz 3.4.03 is in early testing.
As I understand it you have installed 3.4.03.
So you have to wait till the new international version is released. I guess a Japanese langpack will soon come after release.
You are not the only person without to much developperskills here. But in general people are very willing to help someone who tries to find his/her way. At least that's my experience.
grtz.
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Posted - 01 November 2002 : 15:25:33
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Japanese language packs at i2Asia or links for download there is not enabled (hidden) right now as I am revamping the site and redefining how to use/maintain i2AsiaForum... I am considering setting up a language pack link somewhere else, and when done, will inform at Snitz.
As for V3.4.03 Japanese, Romee is correct. There is no language packs except hardcoded default English of the core apps. To use language packs (either for the current beta V4b03.x or upcoming V4.4) it is necessary to have V4.x core Snitz codes. V3.x cannot use language packs....
If you have set your V3.4.03 to Shift-JIS, then, only way you can have Snitz interface (FAQ, Help, and user interfaces, etc.) will require setting in-code (hardcoded) text strings to Japanese Shift-JIS encoding, which requires in-file direct translation and saving them in Shift-JIS formats (yes, you need to do hardcoded translation - like some software localization will do.) This also goes even if you set your forum to Unicode.
There is no Japanese language pack (nor any other completed) for V4.4 which is still in alpha....
V4b03.x is pretty stable beta release, although it is based on V3.3x core codes, not V3.4.x. There is a major code redesign in V3.4 from V3.3 and you cannot use any of V3.3.x compatible mods with V3.4.x (although you can check all newly updated mods) and there are very little V4b03 comptabile MODS (i.e. which enabled to handle language packs as resource files) and none for V4.4, obviously.
I saw your post in i2Asia. If your base environment is V3.4.03, then existing language packs - either Shift-JIS or UTF8 version Japanese -will not do any good....
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Posted - 01 November 2002 : 16:28:30
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I have reset a link at i2Asia for Japanese language packs (strictly V4b03.x compatible), with both UTF8 and Shift-JIS formatted versions. Go to Help: How to Setup and Install forum at i2Asia. These links will stay for a short while, and are provided as is.
(Sorry but I cannot provide any support from i2Asia, and if you need additional support, please post and ask for help here at Snitz.)
As for a general setup and install guideline of V4b03.x and language packs, you can check a quick guide link.
Also Huwr may have these language packs as I notice that other V4b03 compatible language packs are available from Huwr.......
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Posted - 01 November 2002 : 17:25:26
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Originally posted by LeoRat
Also Huwr may have these language packs as I notice that other V4b03 compatible language packs are available from Huwr.......
If you mean the one about Arabic, I think it is a inline translated forum, not a language pack...
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Posted - 01 November 2002 : 20:55:55
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Am not clear how a single locale lang version V3.3x is managed... I assume there are lots of them out there. Anyway, I will keep a link at i2Asia for V4b03.x compatible Japanese language packs for a week, but after that I am not going to have any links...
I would appreciate greatly if you can amend download link information in the forum for V4b03.x language packs for Japanese.
Thanks.
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downdogWoof
Junior Member
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Posted - 04 November 2002 : 12:04:46
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Hi All,
thanx for everyones patience on this..Leorat, thanx for the links to the packs..also posted a thanx on ya site...coupla questions though..as I've stated, I have the forum (V3.4.03) set up on my server and I'm currently able to get Japanese to work with it..that is, I can input and view the Japanese characters no problem, with the Browser set to Unicode = Japanese Auto Select....if the language packs contain the Japanese text for the help files etc...wouldn't I be able to just copy and paste them into the correct files where needed in V3.4.03 and just be sure to save the files as Shift-JIS..? Or, am I totally off me rocker here...?..cheers..
EDIT. BTW, as I've said on your site Leorat, I'd be only too happy to allow the download of those packs from my server if needed...
EDIT2: I don't actually need all the Admin stuff in Japanese, as I'm the Administrator, but just the sign up pages and stuff for the Japanese user to be in Japanese...hope that makes sense...lol..< |
TIA,
downdogWoof...
Yeah, K, Who Stole The Soggy Biscuits...? |
Edited by - downdogWoof on 04 November 2002 12:28:33 |
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downdogWoof
Junior Member
124 Posts |
Posted - 04 November 2002 : 14:53:08
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Hi All,
K, I copied/pasted a section of what has been translated into Japanese from within the Japanese language pack files that Leorat allowed me so kindly to download from his site and uploaded to my testing site and all seemed well...so, I at least know I can copy/paste all strings into V3.4.03 and it works....why then, does one need an international version to accomplish this feat...? Have I missed something so fundamental that someone will no doubt slap me in the face with it...? What is the next step required to get the translated file to work with V3.4.03 so I won't have to hard code it all...?..cheers...
P.S. Leorat, and perhaps others, that must have been long tedious work to create that file....a big thanx for performing such a feat...< |
TIA,
downdogWoof...
Yeah, K, Who Stole The Soggy Biscuits...? |
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Posted - 04 November 2002 : 16:17:51
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Glad to hear that your approach is working. Yes, you can do cut/paste from V4b03 compatible Lang1041 to V3.4.03, given that particular text strings match exactly what you have in V3.4.03. There are lots of contents in FA and Help that are carried over from V3.3.x (thus, V4b03).
First, Lang1041 Japanese was originally authored by Seahorse. I have done updating/changes and additional translations which pretty much ended up in a file you have which is sort of my modified version. So, the credit goes to Seahorse.(If you want to learn more how some Japanese related items, go to Workgroup: Japanese, in DEV: Internationalization (V4).)
You can learn more about why international version is needed to visit and read posts in DEV: Internationalization (V4)... Basically, in my opinion, it touches on a basic design approach issue: International version is needed and desired if you really want to apply products and applications to international/locale deployment... with proper internationalization of their architecture (enabling software/codes to handle various international/locale requirements) and localization/translation (of contents, text strings, etc.) more efficiently by separating source codes and text/text strings as resource files... This will benefit greatly in managing program code optimization and writing and also efficent management of localizable/translatable contents... With dealing with hardcoded localizable contents in codes, like V3.x, then, you have to do in-file hardcoded translation in each file where such texts/text strings exist and you have to do again and again when you have new versions or upgrades (they don't automatically map into the new ones? No magic wand there.) With localizable contents separated in a resource file, you have to touch only this file for translation or changes in one, two or multiple languages. This allows much much efficient and better management of application...(just take a look at any software vendors who are in international markets and how they do). Of course, if you find a pleasure of pulling your sleeves and get into the guts of codes and do line-by-line translation/localizaztion for each file, yes, you can. But you have to do again and again whenever changes occur, and this is really highly labour intensive and resource/time consuming and high maintenance problem for you. You kind of have to think V4.x as a superset in that respect.
Given there are all different approaches possible with Snitz, as it is quite customizable, you can do whatever you want, I believe, depending on your design goals and requirements. As a matter of fact, there is a large number of users who have only user interface in locale languages (even with early V4b.x and assume with V3.x)... One way to achieve this is use unicode with V3.x in which case Admin options/section remain in English and most of user interfaces in English (unless you choose to have them in a locale language, like you are doing) but contents (category title, forum title, topics, etc.) can be in any language. Or similarly, you can do it with a single encoding scheme like Shift-JIS where you can have both Japanese and English ASCII mixed. Or can do it with V4.x where all user interfaces (including Admin) will be in a language of choice.
You can do whatever you need to do with Lang1041 as is..
I am not holding any ownership or claim for Lang1041. I am not also claiming that a download from my forum is "on permission"... simply I have a little redesign and refocus efforts going on with tat site and decided that I won't have an open download link there.
Unfortunately I have to take some time off to focus on some other personal matters and decided to close Snitz related items there since I cannot maintain supportive activities through i2Asia.
Thanks.
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downdogWoof
Junior Member
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Posted - 04 November 2002 : 16:41:07
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Hi All,
yes, I'm starting to think it may be easier to place what English I want into the language file and using the International version, rather than hand-coding all the files for V3.4.03...rather tedious stuff...will still be a little tedious, but oh well, could be worse...thanx again...< |
TIA,
downdogWoof...
Yeah, K, Who Stole The Soggy Biscuits...? |
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Posted - 04 November 2002 : 17:05:20
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If you are going to do that, then:
Look at strLangAdmin... strings in Lang1041
You can recopy the right side English strings with ' to the left Japanese string and remove ' or copy the whole string from Lang1033.asp...
That's all the file you need to touch. You can create your own login, logout, go image icon...to go with your site.
Hope this helps.
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Taku
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downdogWoof
Junior Member
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Posted - 04 November 2002 : 17:10:17
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| Yes, those were my thoughts, exactly....will get cracking today..I'd luv to have a shot at doing a lang file for the latest/upcoming International Version, but, think my developing skills are non-existent...cheers.< |
TIA,
downdogWoof...
Yeah, K, Who Stole The Soggy Biscuits...? |
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Posted - 04 November 2002 : 17:42:06
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downdogWoof
Make sure that you have V4b03.03 core and AllPostV4b03patches (to get all existing security patches to make it to V4b03.05 which is the current/latest of V4b03.x)...
You can use Shift-JIS version if you are going to set it to Shift-JIS. If you are going to set your forum in utf-8, you can use UTF8 version. Make sure that you have Lang1033.asp also in utf-8 if you are going to use unicode.
If you are going to install V4b03.... am not sure whether you need to do a partial translation... user interface will allow your users to choose between English and Japanese, unless you are going to set it only with Shift-JIS...
Anyway, good luck.
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Taku
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downdogWoof
Junior Member
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Posted - 04 November 2002 : 21:23:42
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Hi All,
on my local machine, Win2kPro (Japanese OS) with IIS5.0, the Japanese characters show fine in IE5.5 & Opera 6.05, both English versions, automatically detecting the correct encoding (Shift-JIS), but, the exact same set up on my live server (EnglishWindows2000Server), language pack installed, they don't, it's all mumbo-jumbo....any thoughts, anyone...?...cheers...< |
TIA,
downdogWoof...
Yeah, K, Who Stole The Soggy Biscuits...? |
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