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Just a small item - and am copying my comment/response in i2Asia here ----
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#4305;#4308;#4321;#4317; - or do you still want to try out the codes from this forum?if so, I will unlock and leave it for your download until you says you get them
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also: how to save langxxxx.asp file? initially it is not unicode... when i saved it using notepad unicode/utf-8 > texts are shown on pages like: ααααα
1. First, open LangNNNN.asp in (IE 5.5 and above probably)
2. It will show enconding of ISO-8859-1 as an original encoding deployed and renders with it... Choose an appropriate encoding scheme in a browser to see it properly rendered in the web page.
Open "source" - "View Source" - and save the file in UTF-8 format.
3. Open the re-formatted file in IE, and you will see its encoding is now UTF-8.
I just tried this - to refresh myself as well - with Turkish (lang1050) file and seems working fine. Am wondering if you have Georgian language file made, you can do the same and Forum i/f should be appearing all in unicoded Georgian? Since you already tested login/pwd with Georgian here, I assume it will work fine...?!
Let me know.
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Posted - 23 October 2002 : 23:41:05
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Loging into i2asia Forum using my Georgian unicode name writes this cookie on my computer:
Snitz00User
Cookies=&Pword=...&Name=%E1%83%91%E1%83%94%E1%83%A1%E1%83%9D
www26.brinkster.com/i2asia/forum/
so, my name = "beso" (in Georgian, 4 letters) is written as
"%E1%83%91%E1%83%94%E1%83%A1%E1%83%9D"
%E1%83%91 = α
%E1%83%94 = α
%E1%83%A1 = α‘
%E1%83%9D = α
This is 3 byte representation of Georgian Unicode string "beso" = "ααα‘α" -- as it would be shown here if not utf-8 encoding in browser. But I can't say how yours installation hendels this...< |
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Posted - 23 October 2002 : 23:56:49
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#4305;#4308;#4321;#4317; - or do you still want to try out the codes from this forum?if so, I will unlock and leave it for your download until you says you get them
Yes, I like to test ALL installation as it works there...< |
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Posted - 24 October 2002 : 00:59:34
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Beso,
I have MODS installed at this forum - Active Users 401 and Events Calendar V2rs1 Intl... Active Users401 is 4b03compatible with necessary lang packs (which I created 1041 Japanese and partial 1028/2052 - only those showing up Active Users table on default.asp page. For Events Calendar, it is also V4b03 compatible but half-way, and not clean, as I created LangMODS for this and Lang1041, Lang1028, Lang2052 (although I won't gurantee Chinese translation of mine to be high quality translation....), modifying existing files and also did some hardcoded changes to handle some fixes for date-time for Japanese and Chinese. But this EC is not for handing out to anyone....
As mentioned, only "changes" or modifications made to enable the forum in utf-8 is pretty much as mentioned, and you should be able to package V4b03.003 easily. (Except that you have to ensure UTF-8 formatted files will be "upgraded" with post V4b03 patch files...if you are to make it V4b03005). As for Active Users 4.01 V4b03 compatible - with available languages - used to be available at Snitz Exchagne, but it's gone so am not sure you can download it from SnitzBitz.com.... it's pretty much the same but only Lang1041 is UTF8 formatted, if I remeber.
I am not comfortable to release ALL given the status mentioned above - but I can try repack the base forum files V4b03003 and Active Users 4.01 with necessary files in UTF-8 formats, which will be pretty much the same as deployed at i2Asia,,, but not as Brinkster files. I will not like to release this half-done work in progress Events Calendar that I have. Also, I assume that you don't really need all these language packs that I have reformatted into UTF8, correct? - but only the base languages?
And if I do this, I won't be able to provide you any technical support type - since I assume you are far more knowledgeable with internals of codes and all....
If this makes sense, then, I will try to package it and mail it to you when done.
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Posted - 24 October 2002 : 02:41:10
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Just out of curiosity, can you try to login with your Georgian login/pwd to my other forum and see whether it will work the same as in i2AsiaForum.
http://www26.brinkster.com/leorat2/forum/
I have repackaged all necessary files and all related core and MODS. I have located a backup of the unicode forum files in my archive and it was added to the list as well. They are made available at i2Asia. Hope this helps.
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Posted - 24 October 2002 : 18:10:03
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Taku, I appreciate your help in these stuff  . Thank you...
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Posted - 24 October 2002 : 18:55:05
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Beso - your account at the other forum is activated. Please try and check how it goes. I see no problems in your login name with Georgian fonts. If this works the same way as you tried with i2Asia then, at least for the environments where these two are hosted and setups are pretty much the same using Access 2000 DB, it works without any major changes/modifications needed to codes at all.
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Posted - 24 October 2002 : 18:56:30
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Taku, I appreciate your help in these stuff . Thank you...
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Posted - 24 October 2002 : 20:10:07
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Originally posted by LeoRat
Beso - your account at the other forum is activated. Please try and check how it goes. I see no problems in your login name with Georgian fonts. If this works the same way as you tried with i2Asia then, at least for the environments where these two are hosted and setups are pretty much the same using Access 2000 DB, it works without any major changes/modifications needed to codes at all.
Let me know.
I see your login seems to be ok in Georgian. I found email component cannot handle non-Ascii fonts/utf-8.... appears all corrupted for yours as well as mine... and also found some issue with Admin email address setting... not sure what it is. At least, for processing Georgian or Japanese login into the forum seems ok... This one is V3.4.03 and only thing done is encoding format set to UTF-8 in inc_header.asp.... (as done in inc_top.asp for V4b03.003)... Closing this item.
This is nothing really to do with checking your login but you don't need to try it at this forum any more. Really closing this...this site was hacked immediately after I did this and try to reset Admin profile... and get some update done... Home link in the forum was redirected to Nester.com something something. Although could get to the forum from index.asp, it didn't route to index.asp from the forum. I took this forum/site off totally. It does not exist any longer. < |
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Posted - 25 October 2002 : 01:48:20
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Really there is a big work to be done with pure Unicode, to make it common for all stuff...< |
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Posted - 25 October 2002 : 03:08:04
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Yes, I agree... and that's why V4.4 is very important...
Hope everything works well for you. Am signing off.
BTW, one of the packaged zip is "all" forum files of i2AsiaForum, but remind you that some of codes dealing with Events Calendar are not really clean....but you can test out unicode with different languages as there are at least 4 or five lang packs in there and MODS are full or partially multilingual, at least in Japanese and Traditional/Simplified Chinese... so if you want to try it for unicode testing, it's there.< |
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Posted - 26 October 2002 : 06:20:29
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Originally posted by LeoRat
Just a small item - and am copying my comment/response in i2Asia here ----
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#4305;#4308;#4321;#4317; - or do you still want to try out the codes from this forum?if so, I will unlock and leave it for your download until you says you get them
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also: how to save langxxxx.asp file? initially it is not unicode... when i saved it using notepad unicode/utf-8 > texts are shown on pages like: ααααα
1. First, open LangNNNN.asp in (IE 5.5 and above probably)
2. It will show enconding of ISO-8859-1 as an original encoding deployed and renders with it... Choose an appropriate encoding scheme in a browser to see it properly rendered in the web page.
Open "source" - "View Source" - and save the file in UTF-8 format.
3. Open the re-formatted file in IE, and you will see its encoding is now UTF-8.
I just tried this - to refresh myself as well - with Turkish (lang1050) file and seems working fine. Am wondering if you have Georgian language file made, you can do the same and Forum i/f should be appearing all in unicoded Georgian? Since you already tested login/pwd with Georgian here, I assume it will work fine...?!
Let me know.
Leorat, what if
a) I have an utf-8 file and I want to convert it to another encoding?
b) In a way I mixed the file, some are written in utf-8, some not..
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Posted - 26 October 2002 : 06:31:09
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Not sure. I haven't tried with a mixed encoding/charset environment....
as for a) I believe it can be done...which if I remember correctly how I did it for Shift-JIS revision...and also converting Lang2052 UTF8 to BG and worked.
As for b) not sure at all....
Although, MS says that they use a mix of Unicode and ANSI in some of their programs..... see:
source: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/intl/unicode_9i79.asp
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International Features
Unicode
Unicode is a worldwide character-encoding standard. Windows NT, Windows 2000, and Windows XP use it exclusively at the system level for character and string manipulation. Unicode simplifies localization of software and improves multilingual text processing. By implementing it in your applications, you can enable the application with universal data exchange capabilities for global marketing, using a single binary file for every possible character code.
Unicode defines semantics for each character, standardizes script behavior, provides a standard algorithm for bidirectional text, and defines cross-mappings to other standards. Among the scripts supported by Unicode are Latin, Greek, Han, Hiragana, and Katakana. Supported languages include, but are not limited to, German, French, English, Greek, Chinese, and Japanese.
Unicode can represent all of the world's characters in modern computer use, including technical symbols and special characters used in publishing. Because each Unicode code value is 16 bits wide, it is possible to have separate values for up to 65,536 characters. Unicode-enabled functions are often referred to as "wide-character" functions. Note that the implementation of Unicode in 16-bit values is referred to as UTF-16. For compatibility with 8- and 7-bit environments, UTF-8 and UTF-7 are two transformations of 16-bit Unicode values. For more information, see The Unicode Standard, Version 2.0.
Windows supports applications that use either Unicode or the regular ANSI character set. Mixed use in the same application is also possible. Adding Unicode support to an application is easy, and you can even maintain a single set of sources from which to compile an application that supports either Unicode or the Windows ANSI character set.
Functions support Unicode by assigning its strings a specific data type and providing a separate set of entry points and messages to support this new data type. A series of macros and naming conventions make transparent migration to Unicode, or even compiling both non-Unicode and Unicode versions of an application from the same set of sources, a straightforward matter.
Implementing Unicode as a separate data type also enables the compiler's type checking to ensure that only Unicode parameters are used with functions expecting Unicode strings.
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Posted - 26 October 2002 : 06:49:53
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| Or, if you are talking of individual files in different encoding rather than mixed encoding charsets in a single file....then, I assume it is the same as having all different ISO group encoded locale charset files - you have to "re"-set an appropriate encoding scheme in browser to view each file correctly.... it does not matter how each charsets are represented in raw data in the file... it is when a file is opened with a browser or in a typical client application (like email client program) then as soon as a message/file is opened with a default associated encoding used, it will show up corrupted if not properly synchronized.... that's why if I get an unicode encoded file/message but receive it in a local client environment in ISO or Windows encoding, it will "write" into that encoding system and cannot view it properly in utf-8 (cannot reverse the process)... I think this is how it happens....my guess.< |
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Posted - 26 October 2002 : 19:13:14
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I just tested with Lang1041 UTF8 formatted file.
Opened it with IE6.x and View Source/Edit Source
Saved it in Shift-JIS encoding.
Opened it a new encoded Lang1041 in IE6.x
Selected IE Encoding with Shift-JIS (932) and it renders properly in Japanese.
As long as basic fonts are there, seems ok.
(Above with EMeditor)
With Notepad 2002 (with my XP) this cannot be done because when I open the same Lang1041 unicoded with it, it renders fine with JA charsets/fonts, but when to change/save encoding, it does not show a selection beyond unicode or ANSI. (*)
As mentioned elesewhere, EMEditor was developed by person who was involved in software localization into CJK world, and its basic facilities are very much tuned to handle doublebyte envionrments of CJK, so this seems to be possible. It has special TOOLS feature to define codepage by strings, page, and most of existing file types, codepage/encoding types, and language types (both LCID locale and programming), and conversion among Traditional and Simplified Chinese....
(*) of course, I am using English version so if someone using locale version, Notepad 2002 (Japanese version) should be able to handle Shift-JIS, I would imagine.< |
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Edited by - n/a on 27 October 2002 01:28:05 |
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