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AnonJr
Google's making a Web Browser
02 September 2008, 06:51
Just in case you haven't heard, Google is making a new web browser that has "borrowed" from FireFox and Web Kit. They're calling it "Google Chrome" and I'm expecting a perpetual beta. According to all the reports I've found, it should be available for download tomorrow.
They put together a little comic to explain what it is and what it isn't a la some of the things I saw MS do with the release of Office 2007 - http://www.google.com/googlebooks/chrome/
And here's the official blog post: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/fresh-take-on-browser.html
It looks interesting, and I'll probably download it and take a look. As much as I like competition in the market, IMHO there's too many players in this market to make testing easy. What I'd love to see is some sort of intermediary "reference" browser that works as the W3C intended, giving us something to test our pages against and giving the browser makers something to benchmark against... I can dream. <
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HuwR
02 September 2008, 07:10
oh great, yet more spy ware<
cripto9t
02 September 2008, 11:41
Originally posted by HuwR oh great, yet more spy ware
That was my first thought.<
AnonJr
02 September 2008, 12:13
I'll reserve judgement vis-a-vis Google's data aggregation until I see reports that confirm/deny any data exchange between the two. I have a funny feeling the browser itself is more a tool to make the Google Gears platform more appealing.
Having said all that, I like a lot of what I'm hearing about the architecture and design of the browser itself. Here's hoping Microsoft et al steal a few ideas.<
HuwR
02 September 2008, 12:16
i looked at all the stuff in the first link in your post, and to be honest it sounds like IE8
you can bet your life that it will be data gathering for google, that is after all there reason for being, they already control >80% of the advertising revenue on the web, it woll soon become googlenet not the internet. and people worry about microsoft.<
AnonJr
02 September 2008, 12:28
The much ballyhooed "InPrivate" tab definitely sounds like it was grabbed from IE8; and the seamless browsing for web apps sounds like Mozilla Prisim; and the smart bar sounds like a fusion of FireFox 3's original feature and IE8's take on the same feature; and a few other items sound like they were taken from either Opera, Fx, and/or IE. The comic itself is reminiscent of what MS did with the Office 2007 release.
I think the separation of each tab into its own process sounds like a good idea on paper, I'll wait 'till I see it in action as lately I've seen too many ideas that look good on paper that don't pan out well in practice. Ditto for the sand-boxing and the V8 JavaScript Engine.<
HuwR
02 September 2008, 12:44
I think the separation of each tab into its own process sounds like a good idea on paper
I'm pretty sure IE8 does that too, it's called loosely coupled IE http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/03/11/ie8-and-loosely-coupled-ie-lcie.aspx<
AnonJr
02 September 2008, 12:47
Hmmm. That does look similar. I'd love to see someone with a greater understanding of what the two are doing compare/contrast the approaches if they aren't doing the same thing.<
HuwR
02 September 2008, 12:51
Tabs are isolated from the frame, and are located in separate processes
sounds the same to me <
RichardKinser
02 September 2008, 15:14
It's very similar to Apple's Safari browser (Apple's WebKit software for rendering Web pages). I downloaded it and tried it out, but it was pretty slow rendering and doesn't work well with our corporate firewall (requires a login for the proxy).
http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSN0232438620080902
Download for those who want to try it: http://www.google.com/chrome<
AnonJr
02 September 2008, 15:42
I'll have to download it when I get home.
"If you are Webmaster, and your site works in Apple Safari then it will work very well in Google Chrome," Pichai said.
Random thought: I'm guessing that since they are both using WebKit, I don't need the Windows version of Safari to test my web pages now? That alone is well worth it. <
HuwR
02 September 2008, 16:25
yeah but safari is an awful browser, even the MAC users I know hate it<
MaD2ko0l
02 September 2008, 16:36
nice...just downloaded it and trying it now, and its so fast compared to IE (i don't use FF, not a fan of it)
everything loads up fast and everything is so simple. and so far all the sites i have had a quick look on seems to display the sites fine with no problems.
argh i tell a lie...on a few sites things that are centred in IE and not centering in the screen :-(
i also like the little spell checker as well, im forever mixing up letters in words<
TSAloha
02 September 2008, 16:46
Cool... now I don't have to worry about FF... Chrome handle a language selector for CCJ as is in IE. All my Asian lang forums working great. Pretty fast for downloading pages. Not bad at all.<
Shaggy
03 September 2008, 04:47
Originally posted by HuwR
yeah but safari is an awful browser, even the MAC users I know hate it
Yup, which I always found to be a shame given how much further ahead they are than other browsers in the implementation of CSS3; looking forward to seeing what Chrome's CSS implementation is like.
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HuwR
03 September 2008, 05:15
trying it out at work, I'm not that impressed by it's font rendering, the Title/country and post labels next to a topic/reply are really fuzzy and not well defined at all. never seen this in any other browser (other than safari )<
AnonJr
03 September 2008, 06:19
I'm posting with it now. I downloaded it yesterday, and while I won't replace Fx with it yet, there's definitely some promise. Being able to resize text boxes is kinda cool. All in all not bad for the first stages of Google's perpetual beta cycle. <
Shaggy
03 September 2008, 06:29
Originally posted by AnonJr
Being able to resize text boxes is kinda cool.
Robbed from Safari.
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SiSL
03 September 2008, 10:54
Too much CPU usage on some systems.
I agree with HuWR, when you start to type some web adress, it automatically searches for you from Google, therefore, gets click links and what you browsed most etc automatically.
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AnonJr
03 September 2008, 13:39
You can change the default search engine. Just to test I changed it to MSN... though I changed it back to Google since I get better results from them.<
TSAloha
03 September 2008, 15:23
interesting read on Chrome: http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/16-10/mf_chrome?currentPage=1 <
HuwR
03 September 2008, 18:29
not that interesting really, since everything they talk about is in IE8 so why do they think it is so revolutionary when it is just stealing bits from all the other browsers? sod all clever about that. what they really need to remember is that the browser will still be sitting on top of microsofts OS not their own. Their aim is to make the web better, but that won't be achieved by realeasing yet another browser into a market that is already difficult to code for because none of the browsers behave the same. So welcome to even more sleepless nights for the web developers who are already struggling to keep up.<
ruirib
04 September 2008, 05:04
I really don't understand why everything from Google is taken so lightly. Better watch out what you do with your browser:
Thanks Rui, I think I'll venture onward with IE 8 and FireFox.<
phy1729
04 September 2008, 14:25
Until AdBlock and NoScript are ported I won't switch. Unfortunantly it seems NoScript will not be ported http://hackademix.net/2008/09/04/google-chrome-mail-template/<
AnonJr
04 September 2008, 16:44
NoScript does kinda defeat the purpose of all the JavaScript optimizations... I will be much happier when they get whole plug-in architecture added. I am a little surprised that they didn't at least have the Google Toolbar ready for Google Chrome... makes it a pain in the tuchus to use my Google Bookmarks. =/<
HuwR
04 September 2008, 17:28
didn't at least have the Google Toolbar
that's odd, because it does install all the googletoolbar dll's as they are now referenced in my registry, and I have never installed googletoolbar<
You can't make a statement that it gained anything after 1 day, that is just ludicrous since any new product will have a surge initially while people try it out. I used it a lot the first day but haven't touched it since.<
bobby131313
05 September 2008, 08:21
Sure you can, it's just not as accurate as a longer period of data. You can sure see the trend in who's going to be interested in it. If IE people are barely trying it, it certainly stands to reason they will not be using it in the long run since they don't care to even try it. It's only an indicator of future metrics, not set it stone, but it's far from ludicrous.
It will also be interesting to follow StatCounter's analysis since they will soon have billions of hits in the data pool.<
HuwR
05 September 2008, 11:12
Sure you can, it's just not as accurate as a longer period of data.
sorry but you can't. a one or two day change is NOT an indication of anybody losing out to anybody else, it is what you would expect when people are testing something new, obvioulsy the trend continues or stays the same after say a week or so then you can say that one or other of the browsers is losing to chrome, but you can't after such a short period of time, no matter what you think to the contrary.<
bobby131313
05 September 2008, 11:17
Whatever, you're always right.<
HuwR
05 September 2008, 11:20
Originally posted by bobby131313 Whatever, you're always right.
no, not allways, but in this instance I am.<
bobby131313
05 September 2008, 11:25
Of course you are. I don't know what I could have been thinking posting a link to an analysis by a company that records data from many, many multiple millions of hits per day. Obviously I was being ludicrous and so were they even posting it. I'm sure nobody thought it was of any benefit. I apologize, it won't happen again sir.<
AnonJr
05 September 2008, 11:35
Its nice to know, and it does give an indication of interest, but as Huw said - its too early to say that its going to maintain any worthwhile market share. You can't say that anyone is loosing or gaining until the tinkerers and testers have settled in their minds if its worth their time.
Given a lot of the comments I've seen, until certain things make their way out *cough* plug-ins *cough* you're probably going to see a drop in another couple of weeks. Assuming that Google doesn't do a series of incremental updates to maintain momentum. But that brings its own risks - another topic for another time.<
HuwR
05 September 2008, 15:58
Originally posted by bobby131313 Of course you are. I don't know what I could have been thinking posting a link to an analysis by a company that records data from many, many multiple millions of hits per day. Obviously I was being ludicrous and so were they even posting it. I'm sure nobody thought it was of any benefit. I apologize, it won't happen again sir.
there is no need to behave like a twat just because people don't agree with you, perhaps you should go pick your dummy up now.
if you read the comments on the link you posted, most people agree with myself and anonjr in that the stats mean very little if anything at all.<
According to all the reports I've found, it should be available for download tomorrow.
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