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I don't... Downloaded it through normal mirror FTP.
PS: I don't buy "Freedom" / "Open Source" / "Uber Security" lie campaign btw.<

I have downloaded it on my work computer and plan to download it on both of my desktops at home as well as my laptop. Since switching to FFx (way back before 1.0), I have loved the flexibility and higher standards compatibility. Having it among my tools has definitely made me a better web programmer.
SiSL, I'm not sure what you mean about the "lie campaign", but I realize that this is probably not the appropriate place for a debate about the benefits/drawbacks of open source software. I'd be interested in seeing some information you have (websites, etc) that argue against the OSS community or OSS in general. Feel free to email it to me off the board if you like.<

Originally posted by muzishun
SiSL, I'm not sure what you mean about the "lie campaign"

I was wondering the same thing.
I have downloaded FF through their "lie campaign" and added 1 to the download count.<

I downloaded it for the heck of it, and then deleted it. I prefer "Opera"<

Opera is also a good browser. It's a good alternative to Firefox. At least you didn't say Internet Exploder .<

Oh, joy; just as a deadline goes whooshing by, they give me a new browser to play with
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Originally posted by Shaggy
Oh, joy; just as a deadline goes whooshing by, they give me a new browser to play with

Shaggy this killed me on a few sites actually the spacing on fonts changes on me what was once 12px in the old firefox that looked perfect now expanded to far and wrapped to the next line. Oh well at least no one else has come back but I am sure it will happen.<

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I was talking more about the distraction of having a new toy to play with!
Haven't noticed any issues with any either of the sites I've been working on today
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Originally posted by HuwR
tut tut JJenson, you should not really be using absolutely sized fonts

I have no choice it is the standard set by my company. The designors give us a design and we have to follow it to a T.

Trust me there are many things I do differently when I am working for myself from home.

Shaggy side note here but I need to re add on my wii. Cause I had to format my wii. So if you get online again we will need ot play some Mario kart.<

perhaps you should politely inform your designers that using absolute sized fonts in a web page is extremely POOR design and does in fact go against all modern web design practises<

Originally posted by HuwR
perhaps you should politely inform your designers that using absolute sized fonts in a web page is extremely POOR design and does in fact go against all modern web design practises

Getting my company to make a change is like pulling teeth that don't exist. There is almost no way to get them to make a change. They set up how they are going to do things like 6 years ago and we do them the exact same way today.

Oh well this is just a job till I can get my own stuff going enough for me to quit and do it for myself. Then I can talk the owner into any change <

I've had nothing but problems. It lost all my bookmarks (hundreds) from FF 2.0, they're gone (FF 2 is gone too). Bookmarks.html is no where to be found. It took me 20 minutes to find this place this morning to gripe.
Half of my images don't display, checked all the settings according to the Mozilla forums and knowledge base and they're all right.
Wish I'd waited.<

Weird, all went well with me. I usually trust the google toolbar to store my most common bookmarks, but FF bookmarks are there, too. I just haven't see any real speed advantages, but all the rest is working well.<

Two main advertised advantages: speed and memory use. It's faster than FF 2.0, that's for sure, but it still seems not as fast as IE. Regarding memory, had two open tabs for a while and it got to 160 MB?! I guess that's what they call less memory usage?!<

according to an independant research panel (who tested all OS/browser combinations including FF3), the fastest browsing experience is when using IE7 on Windows Vista <

Funny, FF seems to start to show the pages even when it still didn't retrieve all page info, which doesn't seem to be quite the IE behavior. Maybe that gives the impression that it is faster. Anyway, it doesn't look like the silver bullet.<

Originally posted by ruirib
Funny, FF seems to start to show the pages even when it still didn't retrieve all page info, which doesn't seem to be quite the IE behavior. Maybe that gives the impression that it is faster. Anyway, it doesn't look like the silver bullet.

Exactly. Also unlike IE, Firefox and also Opera does not check if there is new versions of CSS or JS files and they bring them from cache. That's yet another fake impression for people and pain in the ass for developers to change minor things and telling users if they are using FF , please use "REFRESH" to see them right.

To actually see a better "impression" of IE7 engine, I suggest people to use Maxthon over IE7 and now with IE8 hopefully better in August Beta2, multi-threading and DOCTYPE restrictions it will make another speed run.
Point was from my "OSS" and "Uber Security" lie thing... Firefox had over 50 "critical" security holes fixed since Firefox 2.0 with over 15 major releases. Considering FF 2.0 has been advertised still "Most secure browser tralala" which has been released around same time with IE7. And so far in IE7, around 20 critical security holes were fixed and for long time, nothing is new which is less. So basically I really really hate false advertising for people who has no idea about security means something different THAN just not using Active-X. And people says "oh my god, IE is not secure, because new security hole is found when you try to print a webpage that is designed especially to exploit this near 0.0001% chance of hacking, and click 'print Table of Contents' which is not on by default and it can open your windows explorer in your screen".. Just "LOL"

And about "OSS", yes, it is great for people to see code, but it is all Google's and Mozilla's code, it is still business, it is not like that they do these for charity. And in the end Firefox 3.0 reports your every page to Google as well, which I don't trust Google any more or any less than Microsoft.
And HuWR, "independant research panel (who tested all OS/browser combinations including FF3" can you please provide me that independant research panel website or something?<

My preference for Fx over IE is the increased standards support. While I will agree that *no* browser fully supports all the standards, Firefox has been much, much closer than IE since day 1. Even IE8 will still be behind the curve. When you consider that IE7 only started to really implement the CSS2 standard, and finally fixed some of their mis-implementations of CSS1 (released in 1999), there just isn't any question. For web developers and designers, Firefox and Opera are simply better choices.
However, as I mentioned before, I don't know if this is the right thread for a debate on Fx vs. IE or Open vs. Closed source software.<

For web developers and designers, Firefox and Opera are simply better choices.

Actually I would disagree with this statement, as a web developer or designer you should work with ie as well, it is all well and good coding to standards, but you also have to respect the fact that IE is the most popular browser and must therfore ensure you site works in that too. Unfortunately it is way beyond most peopls control what browser they get to use and a lot are still stuck with IE6 for the majority of their browsing due to corporate IT policies.<

Exactly, I don't say Firefox or Opera is bad or should be avoided to use. They are very good browsers infact. I say I just don't buy the entire "freedom" campaign for another commercial company. Being free from one and be slave to other does not change a thing.
Look, I'm on design and management process of my country's most browsed technology & computer based site. We inform people about goods and bads , securities and all the other things. Especially from people who has no idea about computer up to pro's. Now let's look at the fact, 75% of my users prefer IE. 45% of them uses IE7 as their browsing, 30% of them still in IE6. 23% of Firefox and rest are Opera, Safari etc.

I strongly suggest people if they prefer to use IE, at least upgrade to IE7 for security purposes not just at browsing, even they use other browsers, I suggest them to "at least install" IE7 over IE6's OS based security gaps even not to use it.

Now 30% is big number. 30% means at least over 33K of 100K people that visit me daily does not see my pages good. I would not design my website say like "fitting 1280x" wide just because it is almost minimum at today's technology. My viewers use 50% 1024x768 resolution. It is exactly the same. As I can not force my visitors to buy brandnew graphics adapters or monitors to support it, I can't tell them what to install, other than recommendation of 3 browsers and informing about their good sides.

Especially with biased campaigns such as this (Iran downloaded Firefox more than China and India, who buys that?) and often anti-Microsoft campaign, it turn into fanatism fest. When you author IE article (such as IE7Pro extension) you are blamed to be bought by Microsoft or don't know a **** etc. so that is sickening... And two faced, imagine 98% of my users are using Windows and 98% of comments to articles "how sucky windows is", then don't use it for God's sake. If Linux is best according you, go and use it, why don't you do it?

Other than that, people repeats same thing over and over, just "propoganda" campaigns and know nothing deeper in those. There is a proverb here, "Give the credit who deserve" , yes, Firefox is a good browser and yes, IE7 is also a good browser, and yes, Opera is also a good browser. You can use whatever fits you most if you are an end-user. As for designers, we ought to use them all.

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Originally posted by SiSL
As for designers, we ought to use them all.

And there is the crux of the matter. As a professional developer, I need to test in all. I have IE7, a "stand alone" IE6, Fx2.whatever, and Opera9. I probably ought to install Safari for Windows, but I usually just bother the Mac Addict over in IST.
I'll install Fx 3, and use the PortableApps version (scroll down the page) of Fx2 for testing since its going to be a while before usage drops to the point of irrelevance.<

Hehe, yeah that's my quick launch bar, alright


IE8 - Maxthon (for Quick IE7 switch, default) - Opera 9.5 - Firefox 3 - Safari 3 - Netscape (for FF2 compability) - IE tester etc.
I suggest IETester tho, usable after installing IE8, tabbed browser that uses IE8 developer tools to see in IE5.5/6 - IE7 or IE8 modes each tab. Even ofcourse not as compatible as a Virtual PC installed IE6 but for quick checks nice (Basically better UI feeling for Dev tools for now)<

OK, the image problem was photobucket being hacked. Just a coincidence in the timing. I use TreeWalk local DNS server so I had to flush it to get them back. Sorry Mozzila people. <

Originally posted by SiSL
As for designers, we ought to use them all.

And there is the crux of the matter. As a professional developer, I need to test in all. I have IE7, a "stand alone" IE6, Fx2.whatever, and Opera9. I probably ought to install Safari for Windows, but I usually just bother the Mac Addict over in IST.
I'll install Fx 3, and use the PortableApps version (scroll down the page) of Fx2 for testing since its going to be a while before usage drops to the point of irrelevance.
Thats why you need IE8, the Dev Tools allow you to test against IE5/6 IE7 or IE8 <

By the way, as far as the record goes, it was set with the first download of FF3 - Guinness do not currently have a recognised record for most downloads in a 24 hour period!
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Originally posted by Shaggy
By the way, as far as the record goes, it was set with the first download of FF3 - Guinness do not currently have a recognised record for most downloads in a 24 hour period!

what a bloody swizz<

Security bugs found in new FF http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06/19/firefox3_bugs/<

That should bring some humbleness into the hypers on the anti MS field, I'm a bit sick of the whole **** thing. After Apple and it's latest OS disaster, bring on Mozilla. The guys at Redmond are just as dumb as anyone else. Ain't that a surprise?!<

I really find it funny how so many people are anti MS I wonder why?? I mean cause they hire some of the best developers around the world to put out good products. So they want to charge for their software? I mean they are a business and very successful. Is this the reason people hate them cause they make lots of money?
Firefox is a good browser but so is IE among other ones. Vista is a good operating system. Just cause some person is trying to play a beta tape on a dvd player doesn't make the dvd player bad it means they need to go out adn get the proper stuff to use the DVD player I don't get why people believe computers should be backwards compatible back to the 70's it really gets old.
I guess you got to love people and their ignorance its probably what helps them get through the day.<

We had our local web designer group meeting last night. Our two html/xhtml/php gurus had already installed FF3 on their machines, while the systems engineer from Cisco (who hates Microsoft) said he wouldn't touch any first release version of any software.
I tend to agree with him.
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Originally posted by JJenson
We had our local web designer group meeting last night. Our two html/xhtml/php gurus had already installed FF3 on their machines, while the systems engineer from Cisco (who hates Microsoft) said he wouldn't touch any first release version of any software. I tend to agree with him.

I agree also. I use FF myself and I probably won't update for a week if at all. I'll test it soon and if I see no significant difference 2 is fine for me (until websites don't support it.)
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Originally posted by phy1729

Originally posted by JJenson
I really find it funny how so many people are anti MS I wonder why?? I mean cause they hire some of the best developers around the world to put out good products. So they want to charge for their software? I mean they are a business and very successful. Is this the reason people hate them cause they make lots of money?

What's So Bad About Microsoft? is an interesting read.
THis is a funny site to me really lol. I mean seriously they are going ot claim that if you don't use MS you can still have a 486 computer. Your right but I also couldn't have Dreamweaver or IPswitch or hmm I am guessing thunderbird doesn't run on a 486.
This is my point are there flaws? obviously there is no perfect software or os.

The fact is that not only does MS play the no backwards compatibility so does apple. I mean I borrowed an older one form my brother to test so I could see what my client was seeing I found out my mac was to old couldn't support what my client was seeing. Thats funny cause I thought apple was supreme and did everything right?
So I guess you will have to pretty much leave the technological world behind I mean I tried to play my wii games on my old NES and I broke the disk. **** NINTENDO they should know I don't want to upgrade to software they has more features and probably a bunch I won't use but **** them for upgrading lol.<

Originally posted by JJenson
I really find it funny how so many people are anti MS I wonder why?? I mean cause they hire some of the best developers around the world to put out good products. So they want to charge for their software? I mean they are a business and very successful. Is this the reason people hate them cause they make lots of money?
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I guess you got to love people and their ignorance its probably what helps them get through the day.

That's probably the only case... Them earning money from a "virtual" product that you can not hold with your bare hand. This is same mentality for every other software. That's why people tend to pirated games, pirated movies etc. etc. For them, since it is not touchable, eatable, it is waste of money and those who produced them does not deserve to earn money. That's why cheering for any freeware software or crack proffessional software when they use.

It's pretty travesty you know, people giving thousands of dollars to graphics adapters and brand new computer just to play a top-notch game but they get the game pirated. <

I suspect it may have more to do with the fact that those who are not programmers just don't get how much work goes into programming. Even if you've never laid a brick in your life, most people have a good idea how much hard work goes into making a brick wall. Where the common perception is that creating software is easy - I mean all these guys create amazing programs in their spare time? </sarcasm>

At work, one of the "power users" in the office wanted to learn how to write one of those little automation scripts I keep putting together in VBScript. He came to me figuring that if I could automate all these little things in no time, it was worth his while to learn it himself. Half way through the one we were working on, he goes "D***! I didn't realize just how much work went into one of these little things. I can only imagine what you had to do to get the website up!"

Perspective is an amazing thing. <