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Reinsnitz
Yellow Ribbon and Flags...
20 March 2003, 22:35
Everyone, this is an announcement to let you know that the Yellow Ribbon and Flag on our page is to remember the husbands, fathers, brothers, uncles, sons, wives, mothers, sisters, aunts and daughters who have put their lives on the line to preserve world peace and free the oppressed people of Iraq in the face of objections by a few. May they all find that the war takes as little life as possible and that they all come home alive and well.
http://www.snitz.com/ribbon.asp This is an announcement of our respect for those mentioned above. Please limit posts to those that honor and respect the selfless sacrifice of those who are putting their lives on the line for us all.
(Any questions about deleted posts should be directed to reinsnitz on an IM.)<
Replies ...
ADSaunders
21 March 2003, 03:31
With you (and them) all the way. But, don't forget our lads and lasses over there as well.<
Kat
21 March 2003, 04:44
Especially the families of the 8 British Commandos and 4 US crew that died in the helicopter crash last night.
Peace be with them.<
ruirib
21 March 2003, 06:28
My heart goes out to the US, British and Australian soldiers that will free the world of another tyrant, and to the Iraqis which hopefully will be free in just a few days.<
kwhipp
21 March 2003, 08:11
Semper Fidelis<
Kent
21 March 2003, 14:21
Thank you, Mike and all the Snitzers, for this public show of support. As a recently retired American GI (both I and my wife), it's the small things like this quiet display that mean the most....<
Reinsnitz
21 March 2003, 18:01
The .PSD file contains British, Australian, Spanish and US flags.<
richfed
22 March 2003, 06:18
No doubt in my mind, the right thing is being done. My utmost respect to those who serve in this conflict and to the leaders whose eyes remained fixed on their duty.
Glad to see Snitz incorporate the ribbon/flags in the logo!<
drirene
22 March 2003, 14:51
Excellent! The new logo is just perfect!<
dayve
22 March 2003, 14:54
11 years of service in the Navy and a Gulf War Veteran here and the oath I took then stands firm withme to this day even as a civilian. I support the troops and wish them a safe and quick return.<
seahorse
23 March 2003, 22:21
I'm with Doug G. Best wishes to the boys on the ground.
Here's to hoping that we getting this business done and everyone home as soon as possible.
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RCharles
23 March 2003, 22:50
Originally posted by Doug G
"My best wishes go to the troops on the ground, but not to the bosses that put them there".
Afraid it doesn't work that way. It's naive and destructive to think you can pick and choose your soldiers. (They certainly can't.) Each and every one of them deserve our full support, no matter their rank--which includes the commander-in-chief--as they risk the loss of their lives for the preservation of basic human values. When this war's over--and this is one that truly matters--we can return to our partisan bickering over other issues.<
Reinsnitz
23 March 2003, 23:08
Amen RCharles... thank you for clarifying that for doug... This thead is exclusively for supportive statments. Don't forget, "The one's who put them there..." includes the ones who are there... the Generals and Admirals are the ones who had a big part in proposing this war, and now they are there with the men they put there. The commander in chief made the descision with the information those generals and admirals gave them... and he had to make the hardest choise.<
Bladesnitz
24 March 2003, 03:23
Also, Remember, those Generals and Admirals started down in the trenches as well. I would fathom that many of them have seen action in Vietnam and Desert Storm, so they knew what they were getting themselves into. We must trust our leaders to guide us, as we guide them as well.<
Alfred
28 March 2003, 15:09
I am thankful for the protest cry of one poster in the "monster" topic who alerted me to this one here!
Sorry I didn't see it earlier, and very happy to add my support!
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Reinsnitz
02 April 2003, 23:03
Many Thanks to Bookie for the idea to add the Iraq flag to the logo as well, since it is part of the whole conflict, and is 50% of the reason the coalition troops are there. Let us not forget the civilian population that is there crying for freedom in their quiet places.<
seven
03 April 2003, 00:05
My support goes out to the coalition soldiers, sailors, and airmen...<
Bookie
03 April 2003, 00:27
Originally posted by ruirib My heart goes out to the US, British and Australian soldiers that will free the world of another tyrant, and to the Iraqis which hopefully will be free in just a few days.
I share ruirib's sentiments. This is simply what I was trying to communicate with my suggestion.<
frankie
03 April 2003, 12:32
I support the troops and wish them a safe return.<
GhettoDalaiLama
04 April 2003, 03:44
I hope Snitz doesn't mind. I used their image to create some nice ASCII art. Heavily modified to make it XHTML 1.1 and CSS2 standard.
www.akghetto.com
I changed my website to the page since the domain wasn't being used for too much of anything else.<
Reinsnitz
04 April 2003, 16:22
That rox :) Please, feel free to spread this to whomever you like in whatever form you like.<
sy
05 April 2003, 21:09
I support our guys over there as well, I hope they all come back safe.<
golfmann
06 April 2003, 00:24
It is a fine thing....
I hope it is "done" soon, and without any further loss of life or widining of "tensions"...
God bless ALL the troops!<
seven
09 April 2003, 12:34
The war took a big step closer to ending today. A good thing for both sides.
Soon their will be peace. Support our troops!<
Alfred
09 April 2003, 13:54
Our sincere hopes are that no more lives have to be sacrificed.
Not only on the side that fought to liberate Iraq from their oppressors, but particularly on the side of the helpless Iraqi forces whose soldiers and forced "volunteers" faced death from both sides, and whose only choice was by whose bullet they would die.
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ruirib
09 April 2003, 13:54
And the troops are indeed being seen as liberators for most Iraqis. Finally they will have some freedom from this tyrannical regime that its going through its final days!<
brujo
10 April 2003, 01:49
The troops - and the commanders of those troops - in the coalition have always had my full support - not that is worth much - and hence I never took part in any of the heated threads in the community forum - although many a time I wish I had put my views in....
but most of my thoughts were echoed by you all - especially HuwR - who also had the experience of living there...
I think the addition to the logo in this particular time is a great idea by the team....
my heart and thoughts are with all those in the situation at this time and those who love them back at home....
God bless them all - and let the rebuilding of this soon to be liberated country be started as soon as possible.
brujo<
Kal Corp
14 April 2003, 23:46
I support the troops and wish them a safe return also !
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MarkJH
04 June 2003, 12:34
Since the 'war' was over some time ago, isn't it time the flags came down again?<
RichardKinser
04 June 2003, 12:52
are all of the troops home yet? <
MarkJH
04 June 2003, 13:02
Good point, and here's me thinking you were just procrastinating. <
Roland
04 June 2003, 13:03
Originally posted by RichardKinser are all of the troops home yet?
Dutch troops (probably other countries' troops too) are going to/are in Iraq too, for peace keeping or something. If the flags stay in the logo, and that's your arguement for keeping them, I'd suggest addition of the flags of other countries that help in Iraq too.<
ruirib
04 June 2003, 16:37
We've had quite a nice time without further flag discussions, thank you. Personally I'd prefer to keep it that way.<
techknow
19 September 2003, 01:00
God Bless America and her allies!
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kimvery
03 October 2003, 00:06
Originally posted by dayve 11 years of service in the Navy and a Gulf War Veteran here and the oath I took then stands firm withme to this day even as a civilian. I support the troops and wish them a safe and quick return.
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zeth
06 December 2003, 20:09
I think in retrospect all this flag waving, jingoism and American nationalism was a mistake and wasn’t respecting of those on the other side of the political divide. I'm here because I like your ASP forum not because I want your political views forced on me. Hopefully next time there is an international crisis people will think before they alienate certain non-American users and developers of this forum.
Now I hope we can put all this behind us and we can all work together to make the best ASP forum for all people everywhere.
Thankyou.<
dayve
06 December 2003, 21:29
how is that alienating you? please, get over yourself.<
Bookie
06 December 2003, 23:16
Nothing like diggin' up an old topic.<
Gremlin
07 December 2003, 02:29
Originally posted by dayve how is that alienating you? please, get over yourself.
I guess its hard to understand how/why unless your on the other side of the fence Dayve. Everyones entitled to their opinion.<
HuwR
07 December 2003, 05:16
I don't really think someone in the uk can be considered to be on the other side of the fence, but yes everyone is entitled to their own opinions.
But, how can the flags be considered 'American nationalism', when I went to school, Britain and Australia were not in America. What does zeth thing we should do? place an al-quieda flag there too ?<
zeth
07 December 2003, 07:35
What does zeth thing we should do? place an al-quieda flag there too ?
That is such a puerile comment that I will ignore it. Equating those who questioned the war in Iraq with al-Queda supporters is defamatory.
I understand that a site that has an active community behind it can and should discuss issues that affect our lives, even if it is strictly off topic. I also understand that a forum that talks about a forum for talking should have free speech and no censorship.
However when those that actually manage the site promote one particular political stance and devalue people who can’t support that stance, as if the "objections by a few[!]" who apparently do not "honor and respect the selfless[!] sacrifice" are somehow less welcome or valued, then I think that verges on discrimination.
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Gremlin
07 December 2003, 08:24
I don't really think someone in the uk can be considered to be on the other side of the fence
Isn't that a little Naïve though ? Just becuase I live in a country doesn't mean I'm a citizen of it.
Just my $0.02<
ruirib
07 December 2003, 09:28
However when those that actually manage the site promote one particular political stance and devalue people who can’t support that stance, as if the "objections by a few[!]" who apparently do not "honor and respect the selfless[!] sacrifice" are somehow less welcome or valued, then I think that verges on discrimination.
I saw no devaluation of anyone in this topic. In fact, I saw a show of respect and gratitude for the soldiers that would be fighting in Iraq being labeled in a not so a polite manner. So, please remember you need two to tango.
These discussions always bring passionate interventions. People should remember that it's always possible to disagree with whatever you wish and still be able to discuss the issue without name calling to the others who think differently.
I also think that with matters like this at stake, there is simply no way to stay clear of the fray, it's almost a civilizational matter. That's why I understand why the flags came into the forum, even if many people dislike it. This being a private space, you can choose to come regularly and disagree or stay away altogether. Freedom means precisely that you have the right to choose what you do, among the many options available.<
zeth
07 December 2003, 10:00
I think we have to call it a draw and agree to disagree on the flags etc, but I am pleased that you have listened to me and were willing to discuss it. Thankyou.<
zeth
07 December 2003, 10:05
and I do take your point that we are lucky to live in countries that give us the right to discuss.<
cripto9t
07 December 2003, 11:09
Originally posted by zeth I think in retrospect all this flag waving, jingoism and American nationalism was a mistake and wasn’t respecting of those on the other side of the political divide.
Zeth,you can put your blinders on and go through the rest of your life while others fight and die in this war and the other wars to come. I'm sure the ones that make it back will appreciate the nice forum you've been working on.
I live near Ft.Cambell Ky. and around here the soldiers kinfolk hang yellow ribbons and veterans wave flags. They all hope that the young soldiers that leave here come back alive, not in one of the flag draped coffins that we see almost daily around here.
In the U.S. there is no "political side of the fence" when it comes to supporting our troops at war. I served with British soldiers when I was overseas, and I'm sure most of Britians' political parties feel the same about your troops. I emphasized that because the most important person to your way of life right now isn't the guy giving a speech in parlament It's the one in the middle of Iraq, sitting on a cot, knocking bugs off his lunch and wishing he had a shower. I'm sure you can find a few WW2 vets that will back me up on that statement.
I don't mean to be hard and I normally wouldn't even consider replying to a political statement. I'm an Army veteran of 6 yrs, I've never seen war but I was there just in case. You can say whatever you want about the U.S. You can even kick one of our flags around and set fire to it. That don't bother me, because I know alot of your countrymen have stood and fell in many battles, many wars, just for your simple right to do these things. However, when you mock the faith the American people have for thier troops by calling it nationalism, well I can't let that pass.
Well I've said enough. I'm late raising my flag. It's only going up half staff today, for some American service men and women that I will never know, but will always remember.
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cripto9t
07 December 2003, 11:33
Hopefully next time there is an international crisis people will think before they alienate certain non-American users and developers of this forum.
This crisis is far from over .<
HuwR
07 December 2003, 16:19
However when those that actually manage the site promote one particular political stance and devalue people who can’t support that stance, as if the "objections by a few[!]" who apparently do not "honor and respect the selfless[!] sacrifice" are somehow less welcome or valued, then I think that verges on discrimination.
Maybe if you read all this stuff zeth, you would realise that the flags were there to support the troups, it was not a statement of political intent, if certain people decide they wish to interpret any other way then that is their problem, but we have made it quite clear why the flags and ribbons are there.<
ruirib
07 December 2003, 16:50
(...) but I am pleased that you have listened to me and were willing to discuss it. Thankyou.
No need to thank me, I always try to do that.
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gDewar
19 December 2003, 11:36
I also wish the best for our troops and their safe return.
I'm glad to see that someone balked at the tenor of the beginning of this topic. I take great exception to the idea that support for the Commander-in-Chief is necessary to support our troops. An American patriot who truly loves our troops should want to make sure they are not over-extended, and that American blood is never spilled without due cause.
I am happy to see the dictator ousted, but, as a patriot, I am concerned that the Commander-in-Chief seemed to me to be very careless in his implementation, and appears to me not to take our soldiers lives seriously.
Further, I think it is disingenuous to use our troops to advance a political goal, especially when that same Commander-in-Chief cut combat pay before the war and veterans benefits during the war. We may disagree on many uses for our tax dollars, but I would hope it would go without question that if we ask men and women to risk their lives for the Republic, they also deserve our support when they return.
------------------------- "The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly as necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else." - former Commander-in-Chief Theodore Roosevelt<
b17sam
20 December 2003, 00:14
I trust this will be taken in the right spirit ---- It is all too easy to pay lip service by waving the flag and posting messages supporting the troops, but a visit to a veteran in a VA hospital would be truly beneficial, especially in this season. You will feel glad you did. Check my site at www.b17sam.com for link to VA facilities located near you and other information. --- B17sam, veteran of 35 missions, 9Sept44 (Ludwigshafen) to 3Feb45 (Berlin) Free beer tomorrow at www.b17sam.com<
Dynamix
20 December 2003, 17:25
Originally posted by HuwR
Maybe if you read all this stuff zeth, you would realise that the flags were there to support the troups, it was not a statement of political intent, if certain people decide they wish to interpret any other way then that is their problem, but we have made it quite clear why the flags and ribbons are there.
But why there isn´t a german flag? We´ve got also troups in Kuwait and also in Afghanistan... If this is only to support the troups in their war against terror, there should be a flag of every country which sends troups.
But: if it is a support for a political opinion, then I say, that those flags are not amusing, because George Bush and Tony Blair are liars and the war against iraq was only becaus of lies!
The best thing would be to drop those flags. If a single person would like to support a troup he can drop those flags out of his windows or somewhere else, but in a forum where are surely also people from Afghanistan and Iraq work, there shouldn´t be something like this...<
dayve
20 December 2003, 17:42
Everyone keeps forgetting this is a privately run website where the webmaster can elect to do whatever he pleases.... PERIOD. On the other hand, you have every right to not visit this site if you don't want to, that is the "free" choice you can make.<
Classicmotorcycling
20 December 2003, 18:45
Exactly what I keep saying on my site.
Originally posted by dayve
Everyone keeps forgetting this is a privately run website where the webmaster can elect to do whatever he pleases.... PERIOD. On the other hand, you have every right to not visit this site if you don't want to, that is the "free" choice you can make.
I run my site privately and I have the right to say what is on it or not and the people who do not like it, have the right to not visit.
I am not political at the best of times, but I do believe that the 4 flags in the logo were the first countries to publicly declare the war on terrorism as no other country had the guts to do so.
There is also more than President Bush and Prime Minister Blair. There is President Aznar of Spain and Prime Minister Howard from Australia that also had the guts to do something to make the world better along with President Bush and Prime Minister Blair.
Go Reinsnitz and keep promoting the great work that these 4 countries started, and now most of the world leaders are embracing.
My 2 cents worth…
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Ryan
20 December 2003, 19:24
Well said David and dayve! I agree with you both 100% <
MarkJH
20 December 2003, 20:21
David, I think that third flag in the logo is not that of Spain, it is of Iraq.<
HuwR
21 December 2003, 04:10
Originally posted by MarkJH David, I think that third flag in the logo is not that of Spain, it is of Iraq.
Yes, that is correct, it is the Iraqi flag.<
HuwR
21 December 2003, 04:16
Dynamix, Alfred and Mindcontrol
This topic is not a place for you to discuss the merits of the US president or the stupidity of Americans for voting for him, so please refrain from doing so, we have no interest in what you think of George Bush, this topic is for and about the people who fought, not for their respective political leaders and what you think of them.<
Mindcontrol
21 December 2003, 12:53
Your right HuwR we all love one sided conversations, as long as it's our side. I will not participate in the conversations of this board no longer. I thought it was based in The "United States of America" where "WE" have free speech. Hiel George Bush.<
HuwR
21 December 2003, 13:45
Originally posted by Mindcontrol Your right HuwR we all love one sided conversations, as long as it's our side. I will not participate in the conversations of this board no longer. I thought it was based in The "United States of America" where "WE" have free speech. Hiel George Bush.
It has sod all to do with sides, just read what I said. And then read Mike's initial post.<
RichardKinser
21 December 2003, 14:07
Originally posted by Dynamix The best thing would be to drop those flags. If a single person would like to support a troup he can drop those flags out of his windows or somewhere else, but in a forum where are surely also people from Afghanistan and Iraq work, there shouldn´t be something like this...
It is not up for discussion.<
Mindcontrol
21 December 2003, 14:11
As you wish I shall stick to exactly what he posted and no more.
First of all I would like to point out that we saw the same kind of soldier in Viet Nam. When you back them it is saying that you agree with the war and whatever Bush says. If you don't agree with that just try and speak out againest the war. The republicans will pounce on you for not being patriotic. This has nothing to do with world peace.
It's just a republican ploy to get the people of America to back the war. This was there thinking, how to get America to back a war that nobody wants. They first did the WMD thing and then the cute little solgan, back the soldiers.
You will see what I am saying is true when bush gets defeated.
If you really want to back the soldiers get them out now before anymore of them are killed. I real war might be on the horizon.<
HuwR
21 December 2003, 14:49
Did I not make it clear enough Mindcontrol, or would you like me to spell it out again ?
WE WILL NOT STAND FOR DISCUSSION ABOUT BUSH IN THIS THREAD.
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Mindcontrol
21 December 2003, 14:52
OK but it is hard to talk about the troops and not mention that guys name.<
Dynamix
21 December 2003, 17:08
Originally posted by HuwR
WE WILL NOT STAND FOR DISCUSSION ABOUT BUSH IN THIS THREAD.
That´s a typically way how amercan and english people are thinking and acting!
And that´s the reason why the america and even england are standing close to the edge in the world!<
HuwR
21 December 2003, 22:45
Originally posted by HuwR
WE WILL NOT STAND FOR DISCUSSION ABOUT BUSH IN THIS THREAD.
That´s a typically way how amercan and english people are thinking and acting!
And that´s the reason why the america and even england are standing close to the edge in the world!
And yours is the typical attitude I would expect from a german!
If you don't like it then go somewhere else.<
Dynamix
25 December 2003, 14:46
And this is the reason why the british people live on an island and do not really belong to the other part of Europe!
Why don´t you leave?<
dayve
25 December 2003, 16:58
Originally posted by Dynamix
Why don´t you leave?
Do we really have to answer that, or are you not aware of the obvious? Besides Huw being one of the main administrators, developers and hosting the site on his server, I think it would be better suggested for you to leave.
By the way Merry Christmas!<
Classicmotorcycling
26 December 2003, 18:54
Mark,
Thanks for pointig that out.. I thought that is was the Spainish flag, and now I have had a proper look, I can see it is the Iraq flag.
Originally posted by MarkJH
David, I think that third flag in the logo is not that of Spain, it is of Iraq.
Sorry to the Iraqi's and the Spanish if I offened you. I still say we all fight for true freedom for all, no matter who they are, and if it means placing some flags on a web site to help, then I say go for it.
It was still the US, UK, Spain & Australia that started the push for true freedom and now all others want to get involved and this has to be a good thing, as it has brought the rest of the world closer...<
Lacey
30 December 2003, 11:55
I may not believe in war as it takes innocent lives. But I do believe that war sometimes has to be fought in order for others to be free. We sometimes forget how fortunate some of us are in freedom of speech and act and thought.
I feel that our soldiers are brave to fight for what some of them do not believe in as well... BUT they do believe in keeping the free free and in trying to get others to be free too. And if fighting in a foreign land and if lives need to be laid down for it, then so be it.. that's the given as an American.
Sure there are only those 4 flags on the site, but realize that it was stated the reason WHY there were only those 4 original flags.
If you are from a country not depicted by these flags, nothing is stopping you from displaying YOUR flag on YOUR site. In fact, maybe someone ingenious enough can create a flag that depicts ALL nations! Is that a do-able? A flag that covers the world..
What is on a site is the decision of the owner. I don't believe that by placing only these 4 flags is a dis-respect for those not displayed. "Reinsnitz" explained his reasons and we should all respect his reasons, even if you disagree. GIve respect and you get respect in return.
I was happy to see the flags.. Support is support, however you do it!
As for bashing leaders and presidents, why? It's best to not talk negative or contradictory of someone or something unless you can relate a legitimate solution. Negative feedback can be positive as long as the solution is also given and is noteworthy. And by saying something like, "He should do this or do that" doesn't cut it as there is usually no substance in that statement. My mom always said, "If you can't say something nice about someone, don't say anything at all!"
I'm proud to be an American and I'm proud of our soldiers that protect us. I'm also proud of soldiers from other lands who are also doing their duty in keeping the bad in check. By working together, this world WILL become peaceful.
Let the fighting stay in the battlefield, and let peace remain on these boards!
Well.. that's my opinion.. you are welcomed to agree, disagree, or take no stand with me. That's OK.
Oh.. BTW.. Happy New Year to all!!!
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dayve
30 December 2003, 14:03
Let's make sure we forget about things like the current support being given to one of America's worst enemies, Iran. Nobody ever seems to want to remember that we can be humanitarians and have the ability to put politics aside.<
hsng
30 December 2003, 18:39
"I feel that our soldiers are brave to fight for what some of them do not believe in as well... BUT they do believe in keeping the free free and in trying to get others to be free too. And if fighting in a foreign land and if lives need to be laid down for it, then so be it.. that's the given as an American."
You don't know that they are forced to do this? They don't want to serve there and when asked they tell you they would never go back. They would fight and die for there country but they don't want to die for Iraq's.
It's easy for a president to sit back and send troops when he, or any of his family, doesn't have to go. since you are not privvy to a presidents motives, I have removed your last comment. If you are not going to pay any attention to the admins and moderators, then please refrain from posting.
HuwR
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cripto9t
31 December 2003, 08:27
Originally posted by hsng
You don't know that they are forced to do this? They don't want to serve there and when asked they tell you they would never go back. They would fight and die for there country but they don't want to die for Iraq's
Huh? Are you just making this up or are you still getting your info from the former Iraqi Information Minister? The U.S. armed forces are all volunteer.
Where you from hsng?<
Lacey
31 December 2003, 12:37
All our service men and women are volunteers! And when they volunteer, they know that it is possible they will see war.. that they will be on the battlefield.. that they could possibly be in the front lines. And sure they wouldn't want to go back, noone would after seeing what I'm sure most have seen and heard and felt. But that's part of being in the service and that's what makes our service men and women proud to do their jobs.
Going off to war is not new for our current president, it's been going on forever and a day! (or almost). People volunteer to defend our nation and other nations as well.
Not everyone can believe or agree with what another's leader states or does, but that's the good thing about this world. Everyone is different, giving us the ability to write new history books for our future children and leaders of this world.
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hsng
31 December 2003, 14:05
So your saying it is a good thing the world had Hitler [he was certainly different]. They are volunteers to fight for their country not someone else's.<
cripto9t
31 December 2003, 17:26
Originally posted by hsng They are volunteers to fight for their country not someone else's.
Wrong again. They are fighting for thier countries, not someone elses'. The soldiers in Iraq and Afganistan, went in to fight against the leadership of those countries for the allies. To get rid of thugs and sworn enimies that somehow got in control and attacked us every chance they got. They are not fighting for Iraq or Afganistan. Just like they did not fight for Germany or Japan in WW2.
ps. I was one of these volunteers you seem to know so much about. In my opinion, you need to do some research on free nations and why they are free. Iraq and Afganistans' armies would probably still be standing proud if they had something to fight for.
<edit> Where you from again?</edit><
dayve
31 December 2003, 17:54
anyone else like to see this topic locked before 2004 rolls around?<
Bookie
31 December 2003, 17:59
Originally posted by dayve anyone else like to see this topic locked before 2004 rolls around?
I'll vote for that.<
gDewar
31 December 2003, 18:03
This is ridiculous. Is this a debate or isn't it?
Every time someone says something pro-war here, they are congratulated, and every time someone dares to question the war, they are spanked by the Admins.
If the purpose of this thread was to advertise for the republican party, please be honest about that, and don't use the troops as cannon fodder to get your candidate re-elected.
When I was a boy, my father said that the only people who burn books are people that are afraid that their contents are true.
The same could be said about the posts in this thread.
Everyone is told not to give their opinion on the president, yet positive opinions seem to pass, and generally, negative opinions are edited (I will admit that mine remained untouched, but there are many other opinions that have been stomped here.)
Yes, we certainly we are guests here. But if liberal minded folk are unwelcome here, please be clear about it. If not, step up to the plate and let your arguments and opinions win or lose in a fair manner.
I still say - anyone claiming to be interested in the welfare of our troops should have some desire to monitor what our nation is doing with them and to them.
Silencing people that are concerned with the legitimacy of the cause for which they are dying is not supportive of them.
These man and women are not G. I. Joe action figures. These are human lives.
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laser
31 December 2003, 18:17
gDewar, it's the same with a lot of sites - the person who pays for the hosting and therefore owns the site, gets the final say in it's running. If I'm not mistaken Huw lives in the UK, so how is he using this as a political barrow for crazy US politics ??
I'm happy to ignore this thread, but the same thing on my site - I have to be happy with the quality of the posts and I have the final say it what stays and what goes.
re/- hsng s/he seems to be just trolling. No attempt to answer questions asked, just throwing more rubbish around.
And for those that want to reply to me ?? Feel free, but I'm not going to tarnish this thread any more. The thread is an explanation why the flags and ribbons were added, it's not meant to start a worldwide fight over the political views of some countries.<
dayve
31 December 2003, 19:12
Originally posted by gDewar This is ridiculous. Is this a debate or isn't it?
No it isn't. This was not the intended purpose for the thread.
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RichardKinser
31 December 2003, 20:16
Since certain people have chosen to ruin this thread by trying to inject their political views, this thread is now closed. If you wish to discuss political issues, there are plenty of forums on the web that cater to that sort of discussion.<
http://www.snitz.com/ribbon.asp
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